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10/7/2015 11:07:54 PM
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Sunbreakers are fine. Before your bias and prejudice consume your reasoning hear me out.
1. Taking a look at the class AS A WHOLE, it's not overpowered.
2. The melee is subpar at best and Is outclassed by several other melee's (i.e. the ridiculous range of stormcallers melee)
3. The grenades are not that great. Fusion grenades were nerfed pretty hard, and the rest of the grenades are outclassed by what hunters and warlocks offer.
4. The mobility. Titans have far less agility and USEFUL movement abilities when compared to hunters and warlock.
5. All of the complimentary perks surrounding the sunbreakers, are aimed towards the SUPER. Warlocks and hunters have perks that actually benefit them in meaningful ways, both outside and inside super without losing functionality.
Bungie has favored warlocks and hunters for the better part of a year, I say we let titans have this one. Let them be powerful. Because I think that's what Sunbreaker is, POWERFUL not overpowered.
- Bigtime
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The super is way too op it makes hunters supers look like garbage because non of the hunters supers can oneshot the titan anymore
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Edited by Running-Rivers91: 10/8/2015 5:12:56 PMwell but the -blam!-ing hunters got a lot of passive perks!!!!! that help them in normal gunfight!! please stop bitching
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First of all ur a bitch so stfu, the warlock is -blam!-en op with every -blam!-en class thing they have, hunters are weak and there stuf isnt that good, titans have fusion granades now
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Edited by Running-Rivers91: 10/8/2015 5:44:25 PMno you are a bitch and you stfu. hunters are weak?!?!! well you just made yourself the biggest bitch with that statement. ah and fusion grenades make titan op? that is interesting go back to mommy kid
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Go suck a diick little bitch boy
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Newsflash: The Hunter supers couldn't one shot the other Titan supers either...
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It shouldnt oneshot the bouble or the smash cuz they arent op like the hammer
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Do you not remember all the "Nerf Fist of Panic" posts because all the butthurt Hunter mains couldn't trade with it?
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They nerffed bladedance to the max because people didnt know how to kill one
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They nerfed it so hard, that it was still the most used subclass... Watch how many people abandon Sunbreakers after all these babies get HoS nerfed.
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All i need its like a 7% damage reduction nerf and were good or make the hammer not kill like 20 feet from a blast
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In the hands of a skilled player, no amount of damage reduction nerf will be enough because of Cauterize. I guarantee you there will still be no end to the nerf posts unless damage reduction is removed which would turn the subclass to shit. Can't change blast radius because of PvE consequences. My solution: Swap the Cauterize and Explosive Pyre perks in the subclass skill tree. That way you can have health regen or tracking hammers but you can't have both at the same time. Buff impact on 1000 Yard Stare so it can OHK on headshot.
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All they need to do is make the 53% damage reduction a little lower so like high impact sniper should oneshot on a headshot, golden gun oneshots like the titans hammers do to make it a fair game because i always get out super when they are in sunbreaker because i need to hit two times to kill
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I guarantee that it won't be enough. I've used HoS here and there, I still prefer Fist of Havoc, and a minor reduction will barely affect the ability to go ham with this super.
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Idk but not being able to oneshot with golden gun pisses me off
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Edited by Carmelita Fox: 10/8/2015 6:16:47 AM1. Incendiary grenades got buffed, can OHK. nades and the melee will regen health on kill. 2. As far as I know, Melting Point grants Viking Funeral like burn damage. even though the range is terrible, if you do melee them, they gonna die. 3. Incen>Fusion 4. Ignorance, just plain old ignorance 5. What are these other perks that make other classes so good? I'm seeing this argument everywhere, with no list of said perks. gunslinger's trance? keen scout? aftershocks?
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Edited by xSLRx_BIGTIME: 10/8/2015 1:52:56 PM1. For the incendiary grenade to ohk you, you would have to be standing practically on top of it. If your even a few feet from the blast radius, then you'll walk away fine. 2. I've never ohk someone with my melee. Even with melting point. It does a lot of damage, I'm not denying that, but I've never been ohk or done it to someone else. 3. I agree. 4. If you're referring to the titan skate technique, then no I'm not ignorant. I use that same tactic to get around the maps. 90% of titan users however either don't know how to do it, or don't know how to use it properly. (Also when I said USEFUL movement abilities I meant that titans don't have blink. Hunters and warlocks can straight blink out of supers, rockets, and grenades. The invincibility frames are dumb). 5. Perpetual charge on stormcallers, Quickdraw on Bladedancers, golden gun with that reload perk (I forget the name). All of these and several others which I haven't named, are what make the complimentary perks on hunters and warlocks strong.
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after reading one and two, you can't read.
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I'm making an argument for why a fictional sub class in a video game isn't overpowered and you insult me when I reply without any harsh or offensive language...I think you should tone it down some buddy. Watch TrueVanguards or datto's videos on the Sunbreaker. They're much better players than you or me and play far more often. I'm willing to admit when I've lost an argument, but no one has been able to refute my arguments or the arguments of others who share my opinion. Until that happens I'm sticking to my belief that Sunbreaker is not OP. Powerful, but not overpowered - Bigtime
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Edited by Carmelita Fox: 10/8/2015 9:37:17 PMyou think datto and truevanguard are better than me? speak for yourself clown. why do people assume so many things? did i say that incendiary is ALWAYS a OHK? no. did I say the melee was a OHK? no. and you think DATTO is better than me. wow, new low honestly.
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Alright man whatever you say, I'm not even gonna look at your k.d, because frankly I don't need to. My argument still stands regardless. I'm done here, I can feel my intelligence dwindle the longer I continue this conversation. Goodbye.
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5: Really? Bladedancer- Blink, Backstab (still glitches by the way), Quick Draw, Fleet Footed (for the shotgunners), Hungering Blade. Nightstalker- Envenomed, Vanish in Smoke, Lockdown, Shadestep, and can carry two grenades without a perk for it. Voidwalker- Axion Bolt, Blink, Life Steal, Annihilate, Vortex Mastery (Axion seekers last 3 times as long), Bloom Sunsinger- Firebolt, Flame Shield, Touch of Flame, Viking Funeral, Gift of the Sun (if fusion grenades are your thing) Stormcaller- Chain Lightning, Amplitude, Pulsewave, Feedback, Electrostatic Mind, Arc Web Striker- Lightning Grenade, Aftershock, Transfusion, Shoulder Charge Gunslinger and Sunbreaker are about the same in terms of subclass build being primarily to buff their supers to insane levels. Defenders- Lawl
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so you list all of these off, but the sunbreaker getting health back on FIRE KILLS isn't good enough? on a class that has a dmg over time nade and melee? (drunk)
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If you're referring to the worst melee in the game, I didn't think that was worth mentioning, kind of the same way I left out Incendiary Blade for Gunslinger. Both being incredibly opportunistic and not at all in the same vein as the other subclasses. I also left out how Gunslingers have that same DoT grenade but most people probably wouldn't know that considering Tripmine is significantly better and more popular. Outside of using HoS, Cauterize is opportunistic, not an ability you can rely on like Life Steal on a Voidwalker. Same way Transfusion is on Striker Titans. I like how you pretended that all those other subclass builds don't exist to bolster your own argument. Who's drunk?
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do remember the titan bubble it was the first class too get a nerf . The bubble used too be unkillable you had too wait for the timer too run out . next minute nerf def titan becomes worst class in the game I fear when they nerf sunbreaker the same thing will happen
