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10/6/2015 2:10:14 AM
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So if oryx believes in extreme natural selection, is it hypocritical of him to attempt to avenge crota's death?
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Edited by chibi_squee: 10/6/2015 4:24:39 AMHe probably didn't do it to avenge his son or anything. When Krota let the Vex into Oryx's world, Oryx just tossed him to the Vex to die or murder his way out. Under the whole sword logic/conflit thing, it's probably just reasonable to assume that whatever killed Krota is powerful, and Oryx needs to fight it. ONE of those two forces had to win, but he doesn't particularly care which one (as either way, he's still proving his philosophy) That or maybe he's mad about the sudden lack of tribute coming from Crota. He needs that stuff.
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Theoretically if his actions accurately reflected Crota's sword logic couldn't the being be brought back to life? As for his reasons for being the Solar system you could argue that it's less so that he cares about vengeance and more so about continuing to satisfy his own nature, perhaps being inquisitive about what destroyed his son, if it is possible to see Crota reborn through satisfying the sword logic with a great enough act, etc.
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I think he just wanted the Moon and Crota couldn't do it so he decided to swing by. When he got here we 'challenged' him.
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'The Moon' doesn't really sound like it would have much of interest for one of three quasi-immortal beings each of whom have roughly warred against each other for upwards of twenty millennia, a sister who can touch space-time and make it tremble, and all of whom are forced by an inescapable logic that demands they succeed in progressively greater way to survive......
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Oryx wasn't [i]that[/i] hard
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Edited by Runein: 10/6/2015 2:33:27 AMThe Sword Logic says the Crota's purpose was the destruction of our Solar System. Therfore, the great act required to resurrect Crota would be the destruction of our Solar System, thus the reason for Oryx avenging his son. As long as Crota's purpose survives, his soul lies dormant.
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But if we kill them within their throne realm then they are gone for good. They cease to exist. So there is no bringing either of them back
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Savathûn and Xivu Arath were killed in the Throne World. Their purposes, trickery and war, continued to exist and thus so did they. After great acts of war Xivu Arath was resurrected and Oryx used this to his advantage to perform at great act of trickery and resurrect Savathûn. The Throne World death means nothing if a purpose remains for the soul.
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Wait where does it state that that is Crota's purpose in Sword Logic? I don't remember that from the Book of Sorrows
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So in order to revive Oryx (after dying trying to reinstate Crota's purpose) a hive has to fulfill both Crota's and Oryx's purpose? Confusing lol
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Edited by ViralEnsign: 10/6/2015 3:26:24 AMThere's also the possibility that considering the nature of his quasi-immortal existance and insatiable need to discover new things the greatest of those discoveries to him would be what beyond his Sisters could kill him. In killing him all you really do is send him back to his Throne World having inadvertently proven that aspect of his nature essentially ensuring he will return.
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Yeah but then we enter his throne world and kill him in there, and he states that if he were to be killed in his throne world that it wouldn't be a big surprise to him because it was bound to happen. So it's not like he made a big discovery in our ability to kill him.
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Valid point..... why does Saturn then exist in his Throne World?
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it says in the book of sorrows that Oryx turned his throne world inside out and made it into a dreadnaught. The dreadnaught is his throne world, more specifically where we fight him in the raid is his throne room, after the raid hes gone for good.
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I'm just assuming it's because his dreadnought is his throne world after he and all his subordinates turned it inside out and that the only reason we didn't kill him permanently the first time during the regicide mission even though we were on his ship is because we weren't ascendant, so we couldn't access the correct plane of existence to kill him. Also on a side note, that blast he does to destroy the awoken fleet was simply the act of him expanding his throne world.
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Edited by GRIEVER: 10/6/2015 2:48:25 PMI believe that this is a correct assumption.
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Exactly my thoughts
