Okay so apply that same logic to nova bombs or golden gun. Again, supers beat supers that is what they do. Golden gun shuts down a radiant skin warlock and still has a kill shot for someone else, does that mean golden gun should be nerfed somehow? I don't think so. I am willing to play in a landscape where balance is a perception, true balance would have us all play one class with one gun option and no supers. I never complained about Thorn and it wasn't a gun i used often at all so maybe i am just stubborn.