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Edited by Phat King Bing:
9/30/2015 10:00:20 PM
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The sunbreaker can only be stopped by a tether. And the argument of its a super it's supposed to have extra armor is stupid. Any other roaming super gets one hit by that -blam!-ing hammer. See a stormcaller, throw one hammer, see a radiant warlock wearing the ram, no problem just one hammer is all it takes! Bladedancer up in your grill? Serve him a hot shitty hammer! But, only one. Cause you only need one... but other supers need way more than that. If used correctly the sunbreaker is literally unstoppable. Unless you play a nightstalker and happen to have your super ready, and happen to get it off before the titan throws a hammer. It's absolutely ridiculous how overpowered this super is in pvp. And we thought bladedancing was bad...
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"They can be stopped by terrestrial bullets....." -Cayde 6
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"Nope" - Destiny Forums.
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They actually can. You should try sniping them sometime.
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FoH kills hammers Golden Gun takes two shots (bubble takes 3 to kill the titan inside) Nova Bomb nukes hammers Ark blade takes 2 or 3 swipes which is about a second of time due to the speed Two Fusion grenades while in Radiance if you stick them. Nightstalker tether, as you mentioned. Stormtrance probably has the hardest time of things, but funny enough i don't see many (any) Warlocks complaining about it. So basically supers cancel supers, the same as it has always been.
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[quote]FoH kills hammers Golden Gun takes two shots (bubble takes 3 to kill the titan inside) Nova Bomb nukes hammers Ark blade takes 2 or 3 swipes which is about a second of time due to the speed Two Fusion grenades while in Radiance if you stick them. Nightstalker tether, as you mentioned. Stormtrance probably has the hardest time of things, but funny enough i don't see many (any) Warlocks complaining about it. So basically supers cancel supers, the same as it has always been.[/quote] 1. You have a point but FoH kills everything...it's the panic super 2. HoS take one shots golden gunner 3. HoS spews hammers at warlock 4. HoS throws one hammer to the ground and done 5. Why wait for them to throw another grenade? Just toss a hammer!
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Okay so apply that same logic to nova bombs or golden gun. Again, supers beat supers that is what they do. Golden gun shuts down a radiant skin warlock and still has a kill shot for someone else, does that mean golden gun should be nerfed somehow? I don't think so. I am willing to play in a landscape where balance is a perception, true balance would have us all play one class with one gun option and no supers. I never complained about Thorn and it wasn't a gun i used often at all so maybe i am just stubborn.
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Edited by Camaztle: 10/1/2015 10:18:32 AMResurrect next to the golden gunner using the elements of surprise if possible...melee him once. You can kill a GG with one grenade or one melee. Even a few primary shots will put them down...can you say the same for HoS?
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Edited by Blix: 10/1/2015 1:48:36 PMRez next to a HoS Titan, Shotgun and Melee...? No idea, i don't run fireborn on my warlock for pvp i run radiant skin. Worth testing out when i get back to my consoles which will be Monday. If anyone can test it let us know the results with the added damage from Radiance it might. I won't lie and tell you that it does if i don't know.
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Not everyone mains shotguns...then you have to get close enough to the Titan without getting wrecked
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Edited by Blix: 10/1/2015 8:21:17 PMAgain this is just brain storming. You could try it with a fusion rifle i guess. Let me know how it goes. Also we were talking about being sneeky and using self rez.
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The sunbreaker just needs less health or my other suggestion is to reduce the aoe of the hammer. I've been killed by numerous misses. I've never successfully dodged a hammer yet. You can pretty much get out of the way of anything else. I've also been killed by hammers hitting tempted probably a good 30 feet away. Once it wa through a -blam!-ing wall.
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Getting killed through a wall is crap, that shouldn't happen and i am sure no one with sense would argue that. If you reduce the damage reduction (which is supposed to be the same as a bladedancer) would you buff agility or just nerf that so you can pick them off instantly? You can kill a sunbreaker with 7 to 8 shots with a scout rifle which is on par with ark blade in my experience. I think the community needs to adapt a strategy, because nerfing HoS generally is just not a solution. It is a knee jerk reaction to a new thing that is killing people briefly during a match. I am not hating here, just trying to have a conversation.
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It should be balanced to be a one shit head shot woth a sniper. Like every other roaming super is.
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Edited by Blix: 10/1/2015 1:06:03 AMIt is a one shot with higher impact rifles if they are running max armour. If you want to run lower impact then head and then body and they are done. Splash damage on the hammer i didn't feel was an issue, it certainly isn't like a nova bomb so i would be willing to say it could be toned down if it is really an issue.
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Try dodging a hammer yourself. It's almost impossible. They also can home in on targets, if the perk is taken.
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Blade dancer has no where near the survivability of sunbreaker.
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Thanks bro
