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The worms are the darkness, ancient enemy of the traveler. This starts on the fundament, where the worms grant the hive eternal life in exchange for "food". After the hive become immortal, the worms motivate them to take to the moons and kill the traveler. They try to kill it, but it flees and bestows a golden age on a different race, until the hive arrive, then it runs away if the race isnt able to defend the traveler. This cycle repeats.
Eventually, the traveler reaches the eliksni AKA the fallen(this is based off of HoW grimoire)
But for whatever reason, it leaves prior to the fallen being wiped out by the hive ( im not sure if the fallen even come into contact with the hive) this causes the eliksni to follow the traveler to seek revenge on it for abandoning their race.
Sometime after the eliksni encounter, the traveler reaches earth, and starts a golden age. Something goes wrong, however, in fact, three things go wrong. Crota and his minions, the vex, and the fallen arrive. Starting with Crota and the Vex; Crota's 2 sisters ir anuk and ir halak were experimenting with wounds (hive portals) in oryx's throne world and they were trying to make themselves harder to kill by dying in this wound. Seeing that oryx was pleased by this, and told how by savathun, oryx's cunning sister, crota cut a wound in the throne world and by doing this, he let the vex in. This was savathun's will, not crota's, keep that in mind. After eradicating the vex from the throne world with his 2 sisters, oryx saw what had transpired and he says, "come back victorious or die forgotten" and proceeds to cast Crota into a vex portal. Crota proceeds to battle through history (we do not know where or when exactly) and becomes a "legendary demon". Through his journeys, he resents oryx for doing this to him, but he understands it with time. Crota begins setting up shrines to his father, respecting him for what he did. Eventually, crota's hive end up in our solar system. The eliksni arrive and land on earth, and begin to prepare an attack on the traveler. The vex have been hunting the traveler, too, this whole time, and they set up on venus kinda when the collapse starts, but also kinda before humanity exists. It's weird. This is where the collapse begins.
Crota remembers his fathers motives against the traveler, and tries to help him, he does this by seeding earth with hive. The hive and the eliksni both mount an attack on the traveler, thus crippling it. In the aftermath of this, the fallen attack the city in the battles six fronts and twilight gap. Shortly after this, you come into play, commencing the end of the darkness.
Now, the worms are not actually the darkness, but they have the closest connection to it. The darkness is actually the thing they refer to as the deep. From what we know, the deep is not a race, but it is a place/single entity, a kind of anti traveler, bent on tricking things into fighting for it, just as our good traveler does. The difference between them is that the deep does its work by physically influencing races to work for it. The worms are kind of the ghosts of the deep. Our traveler does its work by mentally influencing us to advance ourselves in such a way so that we can protect it. This is why ghosts exist outside of our bodies, and worms exist inside of hosts. At least thats what i think.
If you see any flaws, write a polite message in my replies, i will most certainly respond, oh reader mine.
Eyyy 69 replies ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I would like to propose that the darkness doesn't come from our universe but from another dimension. One of the darkness cards suggests that in theory, our universe is made of atoms because in the battle between atoms and the primordial broth, atoms won the right to exist, and henceforth our universe is made of atoms and follows atomic physical laws. In theory, if there were an alternate universe where atoms lost the fight, then the universe would be made entirely out of something else, and wild follow the physical laws dictated by whatever else that thing was that won. The darkness probably comes from such a universe, and this is why he is able to employ paracausal weapons (weapons that alter reality) so easily in our universe.
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The fallen and hive did not cripple the traveler, Rasputin did when the traveler tried to flee. This is stated in the last Rasputin card.
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I cant seem to find it
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Rasputin was the one who crippled the traveler
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The worms are not the darkness, they even say so
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If you read the last paragraph, i say it too
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[spoiler]mind blown[/spoiler]
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Bump for later please?
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Boomp
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I would like to comment that the deep or the darkness is a tangible force in the universe as Oryx states he will study all the worlds destroyed by the deep and that he once witnessed it destroy a fortress world. Also the grimoire majestic majestic is entirely a speech made by the darkness. Also it is not stated that hive fought the elinski and from HOW grimoire BoS there is no evidence that the fallen and give teamed up. Also it is also known by warlock 2 that crota arrived at the moon sometime after the collapse since he fought guardians and it was the first time guardians fought him. Evidence points that it was the darkness who crippled the traveler since Rasputin was easily overwhelmed during that time.
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I believe the Traveler left the Fallen because they were all savage and unworthy.
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Mystery: Vault of Glass. The Fallen were anything but savage
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Haven't gotten that ghost yet.
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db.destinytracker.com/grimoire For all your grimoire needs
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Ooh, how the heck have I not found out about this yet?
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Thanks. I usually like waiting to read the cards until I find them, but I sometimes use that site.
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Wow, grimoire master? You definitely shed more light on this story than the speak can even hint at in his mumbling a about not having time to explain why he doesn't even have time to explain things haha
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The falen arent fighting the traveler, theyre fighting to get back to its protection
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Nah they were angry at the "great machine" for leaving them.
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I think you meant Oryx tosses Chita and says the whole 'or die forgotten' bit
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Thanks. Fixed.
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What I wanna know is why do the worms share their speech patterns with Ahamkara
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;) https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/157667820/0/0
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I thank you much