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9/18/2015 8:05:22 AM
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Not entirely. He's saying its criminal, because they're charging for extra content. Keep in mind nothing was actually removed, except for access to the nightfall which is technically a rotation. Its there just not for non dlc users, yet. Thus, say its illegal to charge for more. Hence my analogy.
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[quote]Not entirely. He's saying its criminal, because they're charging for extra content. Keep in mind nothing was actually removed, except for access to the nightfall which is technically a rotation. Its there just not for non dlc users, yet. Thus, say its illegal to charge for more. Hence my analogy.[/quote] He didn't say it was criminal. He said at worst it was criminal. [quote]At the best it's blackmailing their customers and is anti consumer. At the worst it's criminal. They've lost me as a customer, i cant back a company like this.[/quote] You do know they removed much more than the nightfall though...right? Also, the argument is that the content was previously available then locked out for non-ttk users. Still a bad analogy...
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Tell me what was removed. Trials? It was removed temporarily for everyone. They're fixing it. Nightfall wasn't removed. Its there. Its a random rotation, which will periodically have new content so people will be locked out from time to time. Nothing remotely wrong about that. Blackmail is illegal, a crime. Please learn these things.
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[quote]Tell me what was removed. Trials? It was removed temporarily for everyone. They're fixing it. Nightfall wasn't removed. Its there. Its a random rotation, which will periodically have new content so people will be locked out from time to time. Nothing remotely wrong about that. Blackmail is illegal, a crime. Please learn these things.[/quote] I got lazy, so I'm copy/pasting what someone else posted...because there's too much to list. [quote] I'm seeing a lot of over-zealous defenders of the game stating that non-purchasers of TTK aren't losing anything but this is flat out wrong and you can admit that as a supporter/enjoyer of the game. Plainly put, year one players are losing ALL of the crucible activity playlists (example: Control) and are only allowed to play 3 legacy playlists based on team sizes. They won't be able to even access Iron Banner or Trials of Osiris (which is stated as content from HoW). They have lost all strike playlists sans one level 20 strike mode (so they've lost sub-20 list, 24, 26, 28 and 30 playlists that came with prior DLCs). They have lost daily/weekly and nightfall strike access (of which there is precedent for on prior expansions, but only if the selection came up with a DLC exclusive strike) for all strikes, not just DLC ones. They can no longer purchase from ANY vendor, any tier weapons as those marks are locked behind TTK paywall. That is a lot of takeaways from previously paid for content. [/quote] Yes, blackmail is a crime. I believe you have me mixed up with someone else, because I never said otherwise...nor said anything about blackmail. Trials/IB/NF are now ttk exclusive content.
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Read the post i initially replied to. He said it was blackmail, at the most criminal. Blackmail is a crime, thus him saying its criminal to begin with. You said he didn't say it was criminal when he clearly did by how he worded his reply. As for the content they lost, since clearly those game modes are that important and make or break people playing, most of the Destiny community clearly knows that on every expansion Bungie alters the availability of randomly rotated game modes to include new content. We learned that with TDB and HoW. They gave non dlc users stuff they weren't even entitled to but people still bitched. So why give them anything? Either way this kind of thread would have been created just to bitch. Removal or not.
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[quote]Read the post i initially replied to. He said it was blackmail, at the most criminal. Blackmail is a crime, thus him saying its criminal to begin with. You said he didn't say it was criminal when he clearly did by how he worded his reply. As for the content they lost, since clearly those game modes are that important and make or break people playing, most of the Destiny community clearly knows that on every expansion Bungie alters the availability of randomly rotated game modes to include new content. We learned that with TDB and HoW. They gave non dlc users stuff they weren't even entitled to but people still bitched. So why give them anything? Either way this kind of thread would have been created just to bitch. Removal or not.[/quote] I think you're getting a bit confused and mixing words up. He, nor i, said it was criminal. "AT WORST it's criminal". He's saying that's the worst possible scenario. He also said "at best it's blackmailing and anti consumer". It just appears you're removing words at this point. Take the sentence in its entirety and not broken up. I'm not sure tdb/how dlcs are even able to be compared to ttk. People that didn't even purchase them were still able to play all the crucible game modes of their choice and not a random mix of all of them. Also, of course those game modes are important. Do you not remember how boring how/tdb/vog were? Ever since 3 weeks after HoW released I spent a majority of my time on crucible. Do you not realize that a majority of the people complaining aren't complaining because they want ttk content, but that they want their vog/tdb/how content that they paid for back? Keep your ttk content, I don't want it. What I also don't want is a pieced together after thought of something that barely resembles a game that I paid 100$ for.
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Edited by Jincos: 9/18/2015 10:26:20 AMHad a whole post for you. Not wasting my time because no matter what's said, youre going to feel entitled. Tip for you though. If the best is criminal (blackmail is criminal) and the worst is criminal, then its all criminal. Please learn to comprehend that.
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Edited by i_found_gold: 9/18/2015 3:02:53 PM[quote]Had a whole post for you. Not wasting my time because no matter what's said, youre going to feel entitled. Tip for you though. If the best is criminal (blackmail is criminal) and the worst is criminal, then its all criminal. Please learn to comprehend that.[/quote] I'm confused where you think im feeling entitled. Also...you do realize I didn't call bungie/Activision a criminal, right? I merely corrected you to the original words the person you replied to typed. You obviously did not reread what was posted, and I implore you to do so. You're telling me to comprehend something, yet you're confused about this whole conversation I believe. I even corrected you once and told you I didn't say anything about blackmail, I corrected what you said about who you replied to. Here's a tip for you though, having an adult discussion requires two people to banter back and forth. Sometimes the other side will say things you don't agree with, but that's why they discuss things to understand certain things. Stomping your feet and walking away mad because you're confused about this whole thing...? Yeesh. You really are horrible at discussions...uou can't keep things straight. I didn't say that what bungie/activision is doing, I merely told you what *in my opinion* I'd like to have in the game. I didn't even demand it. Learn to comprehend that.
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Keel twisting it. You still lack the intelligence to read who I initially replied to because it surely wasn't you. [quote]At the best it's blackmailing their customers and is anti consumer. At the worst it's criminal. They've lost me as a customer, i cant back a company like this.[/quote] On a scale. The best being blackmail. The worst being criminal. Blackmail is a crime, thus both sides of the scale can be deemed criminal. I never said YOU said it, I quoted another user (again, not you which is obvious if you're able to read) and you chose to reply and make yourself the focal point of the conversation.
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[quote]Keel twisting it. You still lack the intelligence to read who I initially replied to because it surely wasn't you. [quote]At the best it's blackmailing their customers and is anti consumer. At the worst it's criminal. They've lost me as a customer, i cant back a company like this.[/quote] On a scale. The best being blackmail. The worst being criminal. Blackmail is a crime, thus both sides of the scale can be deemed criminal. I never said YOU said it, I quoted another user (again, not you which is obvious if you're able to read) and you chose to reply and make yourself the focal point of the conversation.[/quote] Keel twisting what?!?! When you reply back to me about someone else's argument, that's pointless. I said terrible analogy, and then you start telling me about what's a crime, as well as who is deemed a criminal? I didn't decide to become the focal point. When you start pulling me into whatever thing you've had with another user...you're making me the focal point. That's not my decision. Here's what's confusing: [quote] You still lack the intelligence to read who I initially replied to because it surely wasn't you. [/quote] Whatever you conversation you had with him...completely different from the one I started with you. You can't separate the two, regardless how many times I tell you I had no part in it....who's lacking the intelligence from that. Yeesh. You seriously are too dumb for your own good.
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Typo, happens on a phone. And I never said anything about anyone being a criminal. Again, please learn to read.
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I'm muting you man...you seriously are too dumb to have a productive and meaningful conversation with. You're such a toxic stain to this forum.
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I'm sure. I guess you attempted to troll me, but failed and instead of accepting it are calling me a troll? I dunno. All I even tried to get across was the point where the initial post I replied to, not the OP, was trying to say what Bungie did was illegal which isn't. Morally wrong and anti consumer? Sure. Not sure why you felt the need to rant on and on man.
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[quote]I'm sure. I guess you attempted to troll me, but failed and instead of accepting it are calling me a troll? I dunno. All I even tried to get across was the point where the initial post I replied to, not the OP, was trying to say what Bungie did was illegal which isn't. Morally wrong and anti consumer? Sure. Not sure why you felt the need to rant on and on man.[/quote] Lol, it was an honest mistake. And you're too ignorant to accept that. I still don't know wtf you're talking about by "keep twisting it". You didn't try to convey any points about them being morally wrong or consumer. You just kept insisting that blackmailing was illegal...that's it. You seriously are a horrible troll. Flipping an argument is dumb...at least stick to the same argument. Thank you for making me feel accomplished now. We had an argument/discussion and you resorted tk trolling...which can only mean one thing. My points were more valid and stronger and you had to have the defense mechanism of trolling to try to make me react emotionally. You started to elevate my emotions, but once I realized that you have no argument or leg to stand on...game over. I mean..you're even a liar at that. You don't even know what content is allowed for non-ttk users and you're trying to argue the other side of it. Talk about being misinformed before you even start a conversation.
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You said, almost certain twice, that I was the one who said something about someone being a criminal? Positive I didn't.
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[quote]You said, almost certain twice, that I was the one who said something about someone being a criminal? Positive I didn't.[/quote] Nope, sure didnt. Srcmjc said it. If you were confused, you probably should have clarified before anything. Maybe you should reread the post so you don't seem so ignorant.
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[quote] Keel twisting what?!?! When you reply back to me about someone else's argument, that's pointless. I said terrible analogy, and then you start telling me about what's a crime, as well as who is deemed a criminal? I didn't decide to become the focal point. When you start pulling me into whatever thing you've had with another user...you're making me the focal point. That's not my decision.[/quote] Again. You clearly tried to say I was trying to tell you what a crime is and who is deemed a criminal. Never once did I do that. All I ever said was, what they did was not illegal and that the guy I replied to was trying to say it was.
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[quote] Again. You clearly tried to say I was trying to tell you what a crime is and who is deemed a criminal. Never once did I do that. All I ever said was, what they did was not illegal and that the guy I replied to was trying to say it was.[/quote] You did, I was referring to the previous comment: [quote] On a scale. The best being blackmail. The worst being criminal. [b] Blackmail is a crime, thus both sides of the scale can be deemed criminal. [/b] I never said YOU said it, I quoted another user (again, not you which is obvious if you're able to read) and you chose to reply and make yourself the focal point of the conversation.[/quote] You said this multiple times an what I was referring to. You're telling me I need to comprehend things better....seems as though you're having problems comprehending most of this conversation. Do you not remember half the stuff you type?
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That wasn't me saying anything about anyone being a criminal, that was me explaining to another reply that he did in fact way it was criminal since the post had said he did not. Read what I initially replied to.
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[quote]That wasn't me saying anything about anyone being a criminal, that was me explaining to another reply that he did in fact way it was criminal since the post had said he did not. Read what I initially replied to.[/quote] And I said it's pointless for you to explain that stuff to me because I wasn't arguing against it. I. Dont. Care. Who. You. Think. Is. A. Crimjnal. Do you not get that? Stop trying to explain it to me...I know the parameters of the law. Your reading comprehension is disgusting.
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And again, I never said anyone was a criminal. Happy?
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Ah, nvm. I typed in keel on accident as well. Not intentional.
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[quote]Typo, happens on a phone. And I never said anything about anyone being a criminal. Again, please learn to read.[/quote] Typo? When did I say anything about a typo? Jesus. This is why noone can have productive conversations anymore. Trolls like you turn everyone's defensive mechanisms on so much that you're making everything counterproductive. I never did understand the point of trolling someone. Good job with the bait, at least you're good for one thing in the world. Everything else? Nope.
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You commented on "keel". Short term memory?
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I knew what you meant. I typod as well. I meant to say "keep twisting what." I am on my phone, typos happen. Get over yourself.
