One you need to stop using your opinion that 3K grimoire isn't high, yes it is, the average player base has less than 3K and as the grimoire score rises the percentage of sting holding it decreases, looking a little like 65% at 3K or lower, 25% at 3K and higher and 10 or less at max. So yeah 3K is regarded as high in the destiny player base. Even then you just contradicted yourself saying since I played with 3K+ people I shouldn't label NEAR MAX or MAX players as bad, you said it yourself that 3K+ is high, and ofcourse it is, it's near god damn max for god sake. The scale doesn't go 3750 max - 3K+ average. It's goes max high average low. Secondly I stated in my old posts that I didn't say all 3K players are bad, did you not even read it? I said I've played with SOME bad high players, meaning high grim doesn't make you a good player it just increases the likelyhood. You provided nothing to back up your "points" they are all your opinion, so no your point doesn't stand