[quote]How? Your point wasn't even clear? The OP talks about grimoire relative to now, is which case "high" grimoire is 3K+ seeing as max is 3750. My point still stands in that I've played with 3K+ players and not all of them are good? You threw in some muddled opinions about TTK where we don't even know what the grimoire will be after? You've made no point clear?[/quote] Hmmm read again. My point was: - 3k + is NOT high grimoire. - you can have 3k + grimoire and still suck at pve and pvp. - just cause you played with some shitty players who had 3k + grimoire that doesnt mean that all almost max grim or max grim players are bad. The reverse though is almost always true.