[quote]ya, thats why there is violence in america, not enough to go around, lol. cute list, but you just listed a bunch of things that are happening because the universe already exists, they are a part of it. might as well say black holes or planet X. and god may be mystical to us but hes normal to himself. an ipad would be mystical to people in the past, even if you opened it up and told them how it worked it would still be magic. thats just how our silly little minds work. everything not understood is magical until it is understood. im not saying we can fully understand god or the mechanism of creation but if we do, it doesnt mean that it becomes any more or less 'magical' than before.[/quote] Scarcity is precisely the reason why anything ever developed hostile instincts. Why we grew claws and hatred and violence. Because we want something that's limited and we want it for ourselves. That's the reason why there's violence en général. No. I don't mean mystical, I mean actual magic. Assuming the universe was created by magic