I am gonna go ahead a sum up this argument as simply as I can and hopefully you will see how stupid you are being. "god must exist because something can't come from nothing" "that is flawed because God must have come from nothing" "nuh-uh, the laws of this universe don't count before the universe" "you're being hypocritical, you should stop before you make fool of yourself" "nuh-uh, [irrelevant illogical statement]" "you're still being hypocritical" "nuh-uh because......things" You don't understand that all you have done is weaken your own argument, here's how. You have been staunchly defending the fact that the laws of this universe didn't apply before this universe existed.......so basically you have been saying that this universe could well have popped into existence without a creator god because the laws of this universe didn't apply yet. You have argued yourself into a corner which you can't get out of without some serious back pedalling and a full re-evaluation of your argument. I told you to stop arguing or you'd make an idiot of yourself, I warned you.