wow, you are continuing like you didnt understand anything in my reply to you. you are talking in terms based on our shallow perceptions. what are your ideas of cause and effect based on? your view of time? It is just outright ridiculous to try to apply our petty views of causality to a pre timespace state. A phrase like 'come from' has no meaning before the universe so thats why its stupid to ask 'what came before what came before the universe?'