Alright, let's take a look at an interesting card, [b]Ghost Fragement: Hive 4[/b]. This card is transcribed from a stolen copy of the journal of Toland, the Shattered, who chased the secret of Ir Yut and her Liturgy of Ruin. We assume this killed him, as Eris was the only known one to escape the Hellmouth. But perhaps he survived... This card talks about Toland's hunt for four words, uttered by the Hive: Eir, Ur, Xol, and Yul. One particular line interests me very much: [quote]Four sounds, oft repeated, but only four. [u]Though I am on the trail of a fifth, faintly heard from the buzz that once spilled from the Shrine—[/u][/quote] This Shrine that Toland speaks of is, of course, the Shrine of Oryx. Except, Toland says that the buzz no longer spills from the Shrine. Now why would it do that? Unless it was perhaps destroyed... But our Guardian destroyed the Shrine a good long time after Eris's fireteam disappeared into the Hellmouth. So how could Toland hear silence coming from the Shrine if we destroyed it after he succumbed to the Deathsong? That's just it: he didn't. Toland is still out there, studying the Hive. He learned the secret to the Deathsinger's song, and he still lives on the Lunar surface Also, this card was released during The Dark Below. Could this have been foreshadowing for The Taken King? I know now his fifth word to be Akka, the god that was cut to pieces by Oryx, but still lives undiminished [b]TL;DR[/b] Toland, the Shattered is still alive and kicking