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9/6/2015 1:59:16 AM
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Eh, maybe for shits and giggles. Step one.
Kalam Cosmological Argument:
Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
The Universe began to exist.
Therefore, the Universe had a cause.
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This one ends up contradicting itself. Everything has a cause. Except God, because he doesn't have to follow the rules. He's the uncaused first cause. [i]Everything has a cause. Except when I need to prove God.[/i] Eh.
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*Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
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Ah, so whatever has [i]always[/i] existed has no cause. ;) So you just have to prove that God has always existed to prove that he's immune from causality and therefore is the first cause of all.
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Eh, it's kind of a false dichotomy to be honest
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Edited by Autolycus: 9/6/2015 2:22:22 AMHow so? I'm not saying this alone proves some transcendental consciousness is the cause, it's just a first step.
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Edited by The_Azazel: 9/6/2015 2:30:18 AMYeah, I understand that. I find the problem with this argument to be that it follows such a narrow path in terms of logic, whereas the universe is very abstract when it comes to it's concepts. Who says nature can't create itself? Who says the universe hasn't always existed in some infinite cycle? Still, it is a rather interesting and thought-provoking argument
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[quote]Who says nature can't create itself? Who says the universe hasn't always existed in some infinite cycle?[/quote] Because if that cycle has always existed, then it would never get to where we are now. That's like trying to count to zero starting with negative infinity.
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By that same logic god never would have created the universe. He would have spent infinite years before ever creating anything. I wonder what he was doing in that infinite number of years? Fapping?
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The idea is that God exists outside of time.
