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originally posted in: CONFIRMED: BUNGIE SOLD ITS SOUL...
9/5/2015 5:44:39 PM
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Already made a post in another topic, so I'm just copypasta [quote]All this answers, is that Activision put a Bunch of pressure on Bungie to release a guy who was ACTUALLY behaving like a child. Activision likely threatened to be able to take over the Destiny Franchise because of possible breaches in their contract. Marty starts acting more and more irrational to the point he is let go. ALL FAIR and SQUARE up to this point by Bungie. Not so much by Marty. However, taking away his accrued vacation pay and shares was a somewhat silly move by Bungie. They should have known better. All in all though... this has little to no 'answers' as to what happened during Destiny's development. It simply shows one childish, greedy man's time during the ordeal.[/quote]
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  • can't forget the switch up of music for the demo soundtrack that activision did.

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  • Awesome insight I read it as this music guy was so pleased eotth himself he wanted the company to spend money to are the music separately and he acted like a spoiled child when they said no.

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  • "this music guy" is one of the founders of the company. He's not just some guy they picked up to make music, he is a -blam!-ing icon on bungie, or was before they sold out. Marty gave personality and excellence on the music department and it only shows how shitty bungie has become letting legends like Marty go.

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  • Sounds like he kept pushing and got his ass canned. Just because you are there from day one doesn't make you bullet proof. Bungie is a business if there was a legit business case made to release the music as stand alone I am sure they would do it. Money is money after all. Marty failed to provide a solid plan and it was rejected so instead of going back to build a more comprehensive argument he went on a tantrum.. CEOs will only put up with so much.

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  • You are correct, however, did you even know who Marty was before this? Did you experience Bungie before Destiny? I'm just curious. I don't want to assume anything.

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  • Edited by TechRonin: 9/5/2015 10:45:50 PM
    No clue, to me it's a labor dispute. As a people manager I would not put up with an overbearing employee for very long. He made his case to market the music indepently of Destiny and the leadership did not feel it was a effective use of time and money. Instead of coming back later with a stronger case he pitched a hissy fit. He was probably handled delicately for a while before leadership decided they needed to sever ties. The money issue was probably due to some language in the contract that voided his compensation if he did anything detrimental to the company. The legal battle was over money owed not who owned the music. If I had to guess the judge felt that Mary's behavior did not harm the company therefor he should be paid as agreed in his employment contrat.

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  • Edited by TwoandTwomakes5: 9/5/2015 11:24:00 PM
    That's what I thought. I'm still not used to people not knowing the originals here. It's okay, we all gotta start somewhere, I just can't continue to assume people know who Marty or Staten or Greisemer or anyone else are anymore. I'm talking to myself here lol, but moving on... Your summary seems to be correct for the most part. I guess all that needs to be said is that Marty was one of the only people left that actually knew that what he was doing. He was part of what made Halo successful. He knows better than the dink managers fresh out of community college who only pay attention to numbers. But I digress. I don't think he could have come back with a better plan, because his plan was correct. And how does one improve upon that? I guess they didn't want the same kind of success that Halo's music had? Doesn't make sense to me, and I guess it didn't make sense to Marty. I'd probably partially lose my mind too if people like that were telling me how to do something, especially if they were telling me to do something the wrong way. I remember people wanting the song from Halo 3's announcement trailer as a separate MP3. Problem was, it had been mixed in with all the sound effects in the trailer and the original music had apparently been discarded (since it was unique and would never be used again). Under his own volition, Marty went through and remixed everything (or did audio magic, I don't know audio terms) so that the music was isolated, and then he (and Bungie) released the music for free. Today's Bungie would have told him not to do that because there was no profit involved. But see, he actually cared about us. The company cared about us. They did little things like that all the time. Sometimes large things. Now, literally no action can be approved unless it can be proven to create monetary profit. This is the fundamental problem with Bungie now. They no longer put their consumers/fans above potential profit. And that's just a shame. I'm sure there are many good people at Bungie still, but their actions are being thwarted by the selfish and ignorant management team, or whoever makes the horrible decisions. Not blaming Activision per say, but I'm sure a lot of the management staff is from Activision... Edit: I should also mention that the [i]real[/i] original Bungie (before Halo) and the [i]real[/i] originals (like Jason Jones) were even [i]better![/i] I was too young to experience it fully, but from what I've heard, it seems, internally, Bungie descends with each new game series. This descent seems particularly far though.

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  • I think of games in the same manner I think of my car. I enjoy driving it but I gave zero thought about who designed the instrument panel or the body. I have no idea who works in the plant where it was made and I have no urge find out.

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  • That's fair. Probably a better way to look at things to be honest.

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  • If standing up for what you believe and realizing the company you co-founded is going down the drain by signing a crap contract with shitvi$ion and reacting accordingly is childish then fuk logic.

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  • Edited by TechRonin: 9/5/2015 6:44:00 PM
    Good luck in you future career. I pitch ideas and they all not all winners but i don't act like a child when my boss says no.

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  • Edited by Capt Explodabob: 9/5/2015 7:40:00 PM
    What about when they take your ideas, squash them, alter them, and attempt to steal them? Oh but no, we can't get pissed at the mighty Bunghole, they make our Destineez! We'll just regurgitate some shit about unprofessionalism then.

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  • Edited by TechRonin: 9/5/2015 10:35:37 PM
    I am not defending bungie in particular I am stating that as an employee he oversteped and paid the price and whatever disagreement they had about money owed does not reflect on the game. I am truly amazed that people see a dispute about compensation and make a conspiracy theory out it.

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  • When you work for a company all your ideas regarding thier products ultimately belong to the company. This standard. I I pay you to compose music for.my game the music belongs to me as you were paid for it. Anything I choose to do with it afterwards is my choice not yours.

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