Yea i realize that about the precursors and thank you for posting that; basically that IS the argument that has the precursors win. Yea the vong were not force wielders but they drew their power from some aspects of the force; Like the nightsisters or the black sun clan; separate from the force but sensitive to it with the ability to use it. An yea the vong being gone; same thing can be said about the precursors. But yea basically ive been waiting for some one to actually post the reason why the precursors are so dang OP: star roads dont necessarily make the cut by themselves; In star wars you got the nexus route for example But yea predating the universe DOES equal GOD status. Though true sith or jedi absolute master does give you access to MANY of the same abilities.