This seems like a good question, but is it fair to judge a game by how many times you have played it? For example, I was bored of the gears series after the first 3, but am eager for a new witcher because I didn't play the first two...

Has nothing to do with installments, it's more when it goes too far from the original formula and/or it's clearly had its time in the limelight and has moved on from that. I also don't care about saying I'd end someone's favorite series, just like I don't care about calling a game shit. If someone gets upset over something like that they need to rethink their life over.

I only call a game shit if the conversation goes that route. Then I really can give a f[b]u[/b]ck less about it. When a game strays to far from its original formula...that's like one huge discussion on it's own really. Pretty sure you're aware of a big cut off of people who b[b]i[/b]tch about too much or too little change. Reaching that sweet spot seems difficult. Hence why most games end up playing it safe which sometimes ends up being worse. People differ in opinion over when the limelight ended for a lot of series. Guess that goes without saying, but there's probably a lot of games that fit that scenario. Including halo of course.

People bitch regardless, they'll bitch more when a game changes too much from what it was. Example Gears of War series, 1-3 had plenty of bitching and still do but the series that made the biggest changes(Judgment)had the most bitching. Keeping what the game was meant to be is the most important part, if you can't do that its time to hang it up. Clearly opinions differ but mostly with fanboys, they either don't want to admit a game is past its prime or people say it is because they don't like said series.

Well sometimes I feel like the games that changed too much should have been a different game altogether[spoiler]a new title, that does not in anyway include the old title or it's universe[/spoiler]...a new series if you will...this is a generalized statement though, not actually in reference to gears. Just in general....because as you've said, basically people that are fans of a series have an expectation. Which isn't breaking news...we all kinda know this...but a lot of games change...sometimes in subtle ways and sometimes in not so subtle ways. As far as if a games past its prime....it's as you've said. Opinions. That, and stuff like generation gaps ..old vs new...gamers of yesterday vs gamers of today...a lot of that also influences opinions. Nostalgia as well. Sometimes it isn't a matter of a game bring past it's prime. Some don't really care about that...it's a trip...this conversation just reminds me of boxing...a weird analogy...but a boxer past his prime almost always continues to box for longer than needed. People still pay to see these guys, bones rattling, jaws clenched...shadows of their former selves..yet...people still pay to see a guy past his glory days, because they're fans. They want to see that guy fight. They want to play those games. No matter how overdone someone else thinks it is, no matter if they don't want to admit it....and of course with a decent fan base....why not make the next installment [i]right[/i]? I don't believe all company's are in that thought process....some have a story to grow, and a game to deliver with promise, or so they hope. They will always chase the limelight. To bask in it for their first time, or chase it and hope to bask in it again. Hard feat to accomplish, but good motivation none the less, regardless how futile someone may think it is.

Most games are appealed to the "casual" gamer or to be "more accessible" which is why most changes are made in games or at least the most drastic one. Honestly even if the drastically changed games were a new series I wouldn't even give it a chance. Would end up being the cheap knock off of the original while having none of the appeal. The boxing analogy is more sad if anything, guess I'm not a massive fanboy of anything as if I noticed a series of mine was going down the drain I'd want nothing to do with new entries. I can still be a fan of older entries and such but no point in me sticking around for a game that has lost its way to me simply because I liked the older entries

Well, games were really difficult back in the day with less mechanics. For many games actually. Even fighting games...now there's all kinds of mechanics in fighters too, back before that it was basic stuff. Idk if that makes it more casual, probably for mortal kombat since there's block breakers anx x rays which I always felt were cheap as hell. There's tons of shit that's been added honestly. Like I said before, I mean I grew up back with arcades and shit seeing big ass lines for street fighter...tekken...virtual fighter...king of fighter games...seen games go from classic to turbo to whatever the f[b]u[/b]ck it is now with super gauges and massive renditions to the games play box, priority changes to specials you name it. Depends on what game you're talking about honestly. I mean...we can be competitive in games....but I doubt anyone on these forums anymore is a pro player, I remember a few guys were but no one gave a shit honestly haha it was kinda funny. The boxing analogy, yea it is sad when you see boxers get washed up and tarnish their glory just as it is to see a series you once loved to see tarnish theirs. It isn't always the case though. Sometimes you see redemption. As far as fanboy goes, perhaps fanboy means different things to us. I think a fanboy is someone who [i]can't [/i] admit the game they're a fan of has mistakes. The defense mechanism kicks in. I can list out mistakes of games I like in open conversation, and I have here many times. I also don't care what someone else thinks about the games I like or play. I'm too old for that. Maybe 15 years ago I would haha

Games back in the day actually made you think a tad bit and that's all it really was, difficulty wasn't bad what so ever but everyone wants to be top class when playing a game for the first time. Dark Soul series is a perfect example, obviously people might simply not like it but some don't like it because they can't run around mindlessly and just win every encounter. This site has never taken competitive gaming seriously, I honestly don't either in terms of this site but I've been on Gamebattles and doing scrims for years. Fanboys in general are hypocrites, people who deny obvious things, have a one sided view regarding certain things they like etc. example, using people on this site with Destiny. Most here shit on the game every chance they get(putting aside when topics are posted here wrongly) they can name every mistake under the sun with it and tell people they should play better games and almost [i]nobody[/i] complains about it no matter how many times said user does it. Replace Destiny with their favorite game and now you're wrong and a fanboy of something else despite it being an opinion just like theirs.

I get you, games are getting more accessible as time goes by...and gamers of yesterday are all grown up now...some of us damn near ready to throw in the towel with stuff taking up too much time. I feel like I should have waited on these damn consoles...especially with a kid coming. As for destiny...people do complain, it's just that they sometimes try to raise points and quickly are shot down...and with reasons as well. I've been apart of a lot of discussions over this, usually because they're being hypocritcal, or saying misinformation about a game like halo 5, and using that misinformation to validate their opinion. We see a lot of dev fanboy stuff here and it's pretty annoying, it just gets way overdone..on both sides...just as bad... I used to play destiny, made 1 last attempt cause I bumped into a friend from school and he loves that game...I just couldn't enjoy it though for many reasons. Some users do bash for no reason, but that's normal with anything. I used to post a lot in #destiny, and the feedback section. Eventually I just didn't see a point though. So here I am, talking about games. It's fun sometimes. Competitive wise, I wouldn't doubt these forums had a competitive end to it back when bungie had halo. I don't see why not, halo and the many people who boast stats easily can challenge each other, 1v1 or teams, whatever. [spoiler]I'm aware of other sites, but none the less these were at one point halo forums [/spoiler] Not so much now of course, this isn't a halo forum anymore...but I'm sure it was really active in it's time. I do recall seeing you explain to someone why you post halo hate posts. If people bashing destiny bothers you that much though, why not just correct the other users? If they're spewing garbage with no substance to their opinion, check em. Hell, if something I've said bothered you, express it. I'm not one to be affraid to admit I'm wrong nor that I over reacted. It's the internet. Everyone's a loose cannon at some point.

[quote]I get you, games are getting more accessible as time goes by...and gamers of yesterday are all grown up now...some of us damn near ready to throw in the towel with stuff taking up too much time. I feel like I should have waited on these damn consoles...especially with a kid coming. [/quote] You probably should have, I own both and honesty the TRUE exclusives games on both consoles are lacking and I could have waited out. I always get consoles early though so it's my fault mainly. [quote]As for destiny...people do complain, it's just that they sometimes try to raise points and quickly are shot down...and with reasons as well. I've been apart of a lot of discussions over this, usually because they're being hypocritcal, or saying misinformation about a game like halo 5, and using that misinformation to validate their opinion. We see a lot of dev fanboy stuff here and it's pretty annoying, it just gets way overdone..on both sides...just as bad... I used to play destiny, made 1 last attempt cause I bumped into a friend from school and he loves that game...I just couldn't enjoy it though for many reasons. Some users do bash for no reason, but that's normal with anything. I used to post a lot in #destiny, and the feedback section. Eventually I just didn't see a point though. So here I am, talking about games. It's fun sometimes. [/quote] Well I quit Destiny after The Dark Below, I had the HoW with the digital pass and I didn't even try it out. #Gaming has been a dead fanboy hive since Destiny launched, atleast pre Destiny the topics were far more interesting and news worthy than "Xbox One vs PS4" [quote]Competitive wise, I wouldn't doubt these forums had a competitive end to it back when bungie had halo. I don't see why not, halo and the many people who boast stats easily can challenge each other, 1v1 or teams, whatever. [/quote] True, Destiny isn't competitive in the least bit so maybe that's why people here mainly shit on competitive gaming. [quote]I do recall seeing you explain to someone why you post halo hate posts. If people bashing destiny bothers you that much though, why not just correct the other users? If they're spewing garbage with no substance to their opinion, check em. Hell, if something I've said bothered you, express it. I'm not one to be affraid to admit I'm wrong nor that I over reacted. It's the internet. Everyone's a loose cannon at some point.[/quote] It doesn't bother me because I don't like Destiny, I don't however like hypocrites. The problem with this site and the gaming community in general is people get upset when people don't like the same thing which is funny considering you will never meet said person. I don't take this site seriously enough to check everyone, would take too much time and effort.