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8/28/2015 6:52:29 AM
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While I mostly agree with you, you are falling into the same trap that lots of "pure numbers" people do.
It doesn't tell the whole story.
I don't mind dying to golden gun. I get a warning. They aren't invulnerable. They have to aim.
I get pissed off dying to fist of panic. No warning. They can bullet sponge during. No skill required. There is no counter.
Sunsingers melee % is skewed. Twice as many players use Sunsinger than Voidwalker. So yes, the totals for melee are also skewed.
Your own numbers show the issue with shoulder charge. Despite the disparity in popularity and apparent overall effectiveness and lack of range on the melee, the only class with more melee kills is the Sunsinger.... which by the way accounts for over 2/3rds of the warlock PvPers.
One you figure that all in, it begs the question: how can such an unrepresented population account for such a high % in a particular category? Unless it is overly effective in that category?
The issue isn't effectiveness. The issue is the feeling of cheapness, frustration, lack of skill needed, and the lack of counters.
There is much more to it than just numbers. There is an emotional and psychological aspect.
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As long as they don't have unstoppable you CAN kill a Titan while he's casting FoH
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Can be killed even with unstoppable, as I always roll with it and I've been shutdown many a time trying for a heavy denial.
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Yup, it's not hard either
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I honestly would like to see them nerf Shoulder Charge myself, who has ever heard of an armoured warrior getting killed by being bumped. However it's actually not that good of a perk I think. I don't shoulder charge at all and I roll 3 Titans. Yes I do use unstoppable but 80% of times I use my super I die straight after it, but unlike the other classes, Titans don't have any pre boost to using their super, meaning that you have to run straight into the lion's den before you can activate it. Because there is that huge risk why shouldn't we get a "slight" boost to armour when supering? Also I feel people need to be more in tune with the gold box around character level which indicates someone has a super ready. This helps so much, but yeah definitely a titan running straight ahead is a red flag. But the thing that is most important to remember...... Titan's don't have blink. Blink super is disgusting, and Super blink even worse. I'm looking at you Hunters. Anyway there are strengths and weaknesses to each class. I agree with the Shoulder Charge nerf, especially as they're nerfing blink, but definitely not with the FoH nerf. Good fighting Guardians
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I don't spend much time as a Titan but I think that SC is fine. SC is a way to balance across the abilities and in some ways makes up for other Titan shortcomings.
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[quote]Wah[/quote]
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While I agree that the numbers are skewed, it begs the question; how can we get reliable data on this game? Is there a way to simulate a PvP game well enough that you can take actual data on weapons and subclasses from it?
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You need to have the raw data
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Bump! Shoulder charge should be nerfed! OP didn't analyze his numbers correctly.
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So getting a missile of void energy thrown at you shouldn't kill you because of your emotional well being...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) k Then Cruch-saber should only have 3 slashes and take 4 to kill. Crutch-gun should instantly cause the user to explode.
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0.69 on your Warlock... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I don't think you have any room to speak when you are wearing the RAM. Move along.
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I have a KD of 69 lol. I just finished leveling up my ram so yeah I'm gonna wear it. I don't play to win I play to have fun you know that thing people play in order to get? The rush of dopamine...ringing any bells? It's cute you think KD matters in a game without dedicated servers.
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It's cute how ONLY people with low K/D's actually say K/D doesn't matter. Would you take a .5 or 3.5 into Trials? We already know the answer. Nothing to see here people, move along.
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Has two hunters opinion is irrelevant.
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"It's a game! Who cares!" LMAO. The Male? Belongs to me. The Female? Belongs to my sister. I have the Warlock mastery achievement m8.
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Don't caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare. Your oooopiiiiiiiiiiiiinion is IRRRRRRRRRELEVANT.
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You are trying way too hard to troll right now. Your b8 is 0/8
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Maybe you didn't get the message I'll say it slowly. IIIIII DDDDDOOOON'T CAAAAAAAAAAAAAREEEEEEEEEEE. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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You care enough to comment, lol.
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LOOOOOOL You seem to forget it's a game and nobody caaaaaaaaaaares. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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So getting a middle of void energy thrown at you shouldn't kill you because of your emotional well being...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) k
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Don't let them get in your head. I sometimes feel the same so I know what you mean, but if you bring that emotional level into the game you just weaken yourself. Stay positive. play something else for a while to cool down ... and don't let the titan come to close in the first place (I know thats easier said than done with all those CQB-maps.)
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Yeah and sunsingers can use more nades with their super up.. So naturally they get more kills here. So yeah you are right, numbers can easily fool you..
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This guy is the only person here that seems to comprehend that numbers are not the full story. Actually, if you are referring to the numbers unquestionably you're stupid and lack any actual knowledge of the pvp side of this game. (The only worth while side btw) Thanks Tonester for pointing out what most people are overlooking.
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He is not alone.
