1. There will be elitist is EVERY aspect of anything every produced, manufactured or made.. elites in general are who hold the sway of success depending on what youre talking about.. especially video games. I dont think i need to mention again how i disagree with the concept of it all but its there.. just like manipulated democracy... its out of our hands. However in this situation bungie and bungie alone is responsible for testing every aspect of the usage of their guns, its even in the terms and conditions of this product, THEY OWN THIS GAME, not us... i think we can both agree they arent doing a very good job with that. its like they are just programming different and odd mechanics because they sound or seem cool without thinking outside of the box on the depth of how they effect the game. ergo... you cant blame that sort of shit on the consumer for using what they paid for in something as harmless and simple as a fuking video game. (soory for that long rant, i type fast) 2. ya i agree but its going to be a powerful pve option and im thankful that i have a last round spear to explore the adjustment and apply it to the pve side of things because the only time i ever did use my last round spear is to retaliate to those in trials who wanted to "throw the first punch" if you will. I dont regret rerolling my spear to have final round for this purpose and this purpose alone. AGAIN, bungies the one to blame for allowing this perk to go untested in the first place on high impact rifles. 3. hurray for common ground, i know your capable of sensible retorts. 4. couldnt agree more. 5. dont disagree with that, it needed a nerf. 6. elaborate on the templar fight because for me every single fight in this game aside from aetheon (and even then its a stretch) is a complete nagging bereft bore. This thread does provoke a certain parasitic type of argument by saying we are at fault for using the things they are responsible for testing and providing.. they could defiantly up the pace with hotfixes on the issues they seem to prolong.