All that's is being said in the end is that the many hours of playing, grinding, etc. is of different currency to different people. Everyone is entitled to express their own opinions. It's the illogical debate that follows that is devolving. For instance, one party states essentially no one is forcing anyone else to play. Even that is an opinion. Because, there may be a self indebtedness involved because of real money being expended to purchase Destiny. For some one to throw away an investment of time is literally throwing away life in other words to some. It's not a unique perspective to troll on a differing opinion, just an immaturity incapable of thoughtful and understandable debate or conversation. The individuals not concerned with wasting time in their life are not truly living it! Both sides of this topic don't bare the same honesty in discussion and integrity. Those that value their time invested toward their own entertainment are offended by the fact that they payed to be guinea pigs. Whilst others will garner the end result for less investment. That is essentially the crux of intellectual fraud and the point that a lot of gamers are upset with in the release of TTK. After all some people are actually reimbursed for providing a service toward an end product(employee). And some aren't intelligent enough to realize they were non paid employees. Let me provide an obvious example! Someone purchases a product in full. That product is then modified without your permission after purchase. To continue to use the product that you have already paid for in full, you have to pay for it again... And then again... And then again. Not only that, during the use of said product you provide improvements which you aren't reimbursed for by the maker. It doesn't take a Nobel laureate to see the hypocrisy in this instance. I believe there is a sad disconnect of reality of the value of even playing a game. Life itself is a game if your attitude is pointed that direction. Then again some people just try so hard to be high brow trollers that they themselves don't realize they are losing the game of life themselves just to belittle a difference of opinion, even though they might have attained an efficient vocabulary. I already know I've wasted precious moments of my life in this dialogue simply because from experience most can't admit the value of intellectual diversity from their own. But, then again, a light may turn on in some!