[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]You're not an atheist You're an anti theist[/quote] Atheism means you don't believe in a god. Thus, you believe they don't exist. [b]No, atheism means being without belief. Not believing in something isnt the same as denying its existence. It's like saying that I don't believe in the wage gap. Does that mean it doesn't exist? No. Belief and claim are two different things. [/b] [i]Atheism means without belief, which means you don't hold belief within a god/gods. It's black and white, not that hard, here. You either do or you don't.[/i] [u]I literally just said that. I don't believe but I don't make the claim that I know. [/u] [quote]The difference is that you have the burden of proof due to you making a positive claim that God doesn't exist[/quote] See above. [b]Anti theism is a positive claim. Atheism shouldn't be. One can be an atheist and an anti theist, but not all atheists are anti theists. All rectangles are squares, but not all squares are rectangles. [/b] [i]Not believing and claiming they don't exist are one and the same.[/i] [u]I just provided an example on how it isn't. Belief and claim can be the same thing, but don't have to be. One isn't solely dependent on the other[/u] [quote]An atheist, like myself, just does not believe in a God. We do not claim that one doesn't exist. We cannot disprove God entirely due to us never making that claim, but you have and you must prove it without a doubt. [/quote] This means that you aren't a real atheist. If you believe some form of cosmic deity may exist, then you no longer hold the title atheist, only "undecided." [b]I don't believe that a cosmic deity exists? Where do I state that I do?[/b] [i]Incorrect wording on my part. It's supposed to say "If you don't."[/i] [u]Gotcha, bud[/u] [quote]Your entire demeanor seems to be very angry towards God...this indicates a deeply held belief in the deity, for the ability to hate and be angry at something makes no logical sense unless that thing exists. Or you're insane and are self deluding. [/quote] Not angry at God, angry at such a preposterous concept. People bowing to a nonexistent deity? Enough to rustle my jimmies. [b]Then attack religion, not God. There can be religion without a God, so attack the people. Attacking the leaves of a tree won't outright kill it. You have to attack the roots[/b] [i]One could argue that God IS religion. It is what their entire belief is based on.[/i] [u]True, and I agree[/u] [quote]You call people kid, and autist a lot, and from a psychological standpoint, this shows resentment for those two. Maybe your brother or sister was autistic and you had to be hurt for a long while by it. Maybe you yourself were deemed autistic in an obviously minor degree (or else you couldn't communicate this effectively) and are deflecting the shame and/or pain onto another. [/quote] It's an insult, they exist. The most you can prove from this is that he considers younger or disabled people inferior. [b]Just as the correlation between homophobia and homosexuality coincide, scientists use psychology to view trends in human behavior as I have done above[/b] [i]You say you used psychology, however that is far from the case. Psychology doesn't just mean words, it encompasses tone and body language as well. It is estimated that the spoken word is only 5-10% of the actual conversation; by that extent, you are missing 90% of the evidence required. Also, although a correlation between homophobia and homosexuality may exist, it doesn't mean that's always the case. Your argument is currently based on the opinion that your 50% is concrete.[/i] [u]Communication is mostly body language. I am using multiple statements and assertions of belief from Noiseless to generate my views. Psychology is a science, and like with all sciences, indirect observation can be used with enough time. You're looking at the bending of light around an object to see the star behind it[/u] [quote]The "kid" portion most likely stems from an inherent self worth issue, being maybe that your parents frustrated you to no end because you were a "rebellious kid" and knew nothing, or that you're a child yourself. You constantly use this [b]ad hominem[/b] attack and attacks on grammar to avoid the argument because yours is weak and you know subconsciously that it is. [/quote] Conscious overpowers subconscious in waking hours, and quite frankly, 90% of all people here are under the age of 15. His "kid" point is valid. [b]More like 30% is under 15. Also, know that your subconscious influences greatly your beliefs and practices that your conscious brings into form. [/b] [i]Subconscious influences the conscious, but the conscious has the ability to approve or deny what it receives. Thus, the waking mind triumphs. And have you ever walked through these forums? Children, through and through. I don't see much else than a giant playground.[/i] [u]Yes, but I doubt that anyone constantly overrides subconscious influences. Or even completely stops it. Oh yeah, it's pretty retarded[/u] [quote]You present yourself with a grandiose sense of self and arrogance and hubris unrivaled.[/quote] True. [quote]You need confirmation for your "belief" because you're uncertain of yourself and are looking for validation. [/quote] Again, the most you can prove from this is that he feels himself superior. [b]Any field of psychology disagrees with you. And I can't even prove the superiority. All I can do is synthesise common human trends with observations and develop a hypothesis[/b] [i]Again, you lack 90% of psychological evidence. Superiority complex is rather evident in other threads.[/i] [u]Which you can analyse and hypothesise and formulate even without full depth and the full 100% because of both yours and my lengthy experience with Noiseless[/u] [quote]You little people and your semantics and feuds are fun to pick apart. You scream who you are in your venom.[/quote] And apparently you believe you're superior as well. [b]I say he is little because of above. He views himself as larger than life and superior to everyone, but he is a little man. He is weak, as everyone sees and experiences. That is psychology. [/b] [i]Lacking that 90% again. And your continued efforts to call him weak continues to prove my point.[/i] [u]How can't you believe that someone like him is weak? He is unstable and hateful and lets that dominate him[/u] Then again, we could both be massively wrong. People change on the internet, where they're free to express their opinions without consequences, as opposed to real life, where people would most likely beat the shit out of you for these opinions. But I'd like to think I hit the ball at least. [b]Youre apologising for him. Don't do that. He is a weak little man who is so riddled with doubt and lack of self confidence that he opens himself up just to be able to attack. It's a chihuahua that barks and growls and is aggressive because it is weak. That's all that his kind of person is. [/b] [i]I am not apologizing, simply stating my opinion. And you've proved my point once again: attacking his character.[/i] [u]Now to use bold italics or mixtures lmao[/u][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

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[quote][quote]You're not an atheist You're an anti theist The difference is that you have the burden of proof due to you making a positive claim that God doesn't exist An atheist, like myself, just does not believe in a God. We do not claim that one doesn't exist. We cannot disprove God entirely due to us never making that claim, but you have and you must prove it without a doubt. Your entire demeanor seems to be very angry towards God...this indicates a deeply held belief in the deity, for the ability to hate and be angry at something makes no logical sense unless that thing exists. Or you're insane and are self deluding. You call people kid, and autist a lot, and from a psychological standpoint, this shows resentment for those two. Maybe your brother or sister was autistic and you had to be hurt for a long while by it. Maybe you yourself were deemed autistic in an obviously minor degree (or else you couldn't communicate this effectively) and are deflecting the shame and/or pain onto another. The "kid" portion most likely stems from an inherent self worth issue, being maybe that your parents frustrated you to no end because you were a "rebellious kid" and knew nothing, or that you're a child yourself. You constantly use this [b]ad hominem[/b] attack and attacks on grammar to avoid the argument because yours is weak and you know subconsciously that it is. You present yourself with a grandiose sense of self and arrogance and hubris unrivaled. You need confirmation for your "belief" because you're uncertain of yourself and are looking for validation. You little people and your semantics and feuds are fun to pick apart. You scream who you are in your venom.[/quote] I'm in love with this post. I'm glad someone linked this. You won the internet.[/quote]

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