I should have specified, I'm talking about crota bridge on normal, every time......every time. I've been in some groups I ask, "everyone know what they are doing here before we start?" Them: "yea, let's do it. I've done this tons of times." Moments later full wipe. No one bothered to stand on the outside plates..."oh, I didn't know you had to do that." Facepalm. Hard mode can be dificult, more so on crota with all the bugs it had, some still exist randomly. However I believe hard mode is as hard as you make it on yourself, or your team makes it. One day I was just trying to do atheon hard, it was a complete clusterf***, bunch of guys that claimed to be experienced (before HoW think I was a 31?), "man hard mode is hard".....bailed on that group, found another where everyone there pretty much experienced the same thing. We got in almost beat it on first try, had one guy die early on accident and teleport got screwed up. Second run, done, took less than 10 minutes, in and out.