If Dredgen and Jaren are not the same person, what was the name of the gun Jaren gives to Shin? If I'm not mistaken it couldn't have been named the last word because that doesn't happen until shin is grown and Jaren is gone. The name comes from the showdown that couldn't have happened yet. Which means during the time Jaren spent using that gun it must have had a different name, most likely he called it his rose.