Id say that its a majority of the community that are whiners, and i bet they do it on all forums for games that they play. Ive been around since Halo, not on the forums though, lol I have to admit, on a personal note, that i feel slightly let down by Bungie with regards to Destiny, but i do fully understand why all the changes were made and how you're rallying. Part of the changes i feel is due to last gen support. Just my tuppence worth. Take it easy DeeJ.