And honestly i was covering my bases, you will note i said [quote]And its pretty easy for me to deny as i rarely see full teams of Thorns, and only occasionally see teams with 1 or more.[/quote] My exact words. Not beating around the bush. I have been straightforward with you from the get go, where as you have been fairly hostile towards me. I have been trying to get my point across to you, but all you see is your side and cannot view any other. My experiences have been different than yours. I have not belittled your experiences, yet you insist that i avoid the subject and beat around the bush. whilst you avoid real hard facts. Until i see a Spreadsheet from Bungie stating the percentage of Thorn use, im going to assume its a minority issue, as this Forum is a small portion of the community as whole. Again Not trying to divert, but trying to show you that there are two sides to the coin, my side of the coin is not any less valid than yours.