I'm Jcaf8 and these are some theories I've made I have some more but these are the ones i like having others opinion of. The thorn one is the most important. I've made many more all smaller but not as controversial. I'm working on a cabal one too. None are 100% true. None are totally wrong either. All are my opinion If you see this without anything just refresh the page in 5 minutes as I'll be adding it in, and removing this message once it's there Jaren is Dregden yor evidence [spoiler]Dredgen=Jaren The only thing that doesn't work is that jaren was never revealed to have the rose, and that he wasn't ever shown to be corrupted, also if says he is dead or dying in one of he cards, but that could be figurative. Jaren meets shin in the town of palamon, but at this point he is around that beacon of hope that people see him as. He kills loken. Years pass, at one point still using TLW but either has made or found rose either before or at the exact time of his collapse. He is starting to tire himself of the duty of standing against the darkness. Jaren and his ghost talk a lot more, starting to be a lot more quiet. Their team of hunters(bounty kind not all guardians) sets to explore until that one knight(don't take this part too factual just speculating) Shin is waiting while jaren scouts the area Jaren then has that talk with his ghost in thorn 3, and finally convinces the ghost he is a monster Jaren shoots his best friend, his signal of light, last word, one last time. Then he shoots his rose, but he hears that dark and eternal shot, and knows that it was a thorn, cruel, ugly, dark. Note: Dredgen was the last forebearer and the First in his family. So he created the name Shin runs, and finds the ghost, it speaks to him about something(maybe We'll find out) maybe perhaps turning him into a guardian(unlikely) or giving him the last word(likely) He hunts his old mentor, sees his dark side at dwindlers ridge, and kills him by saying the exact line that made their friendship meaningful "Yours, not mine" Why else would he say a line to Dregden that only jaren would understand? I left out the citations of GrimoireOk so this is my final Dregden jaren reasoning short version The only thing that doesn't work is that jaren was never revealed to have the rose, and that he wasn't ever shown to be corrupted, also if says he is dead or dying in one of he cards, but that could be figurative. Jaren meets shin in the town of palamon, but at this point he is around that beacon of hope that people see him as. He kills loken. Years pass, at one point still using TLW but either has made or found rose either before or at the exact time of his collapse. He is starting to tire himself of the duty of standing against the darkness. Jaren and his ghost talk a lot more, starting to be a lot more quiet. Their team of hunters(bounty kind not all guardians) sets to explore until that one knight(don't take this part too factual just speculating) Shin is waiting while jaren scouts the area Jaren then has that talk with his ghost in thorn 3, and finally convinces the ghost he is a monster Jaren shoots his best friend, his signal of light, last word, one last time. Then he shoots his rose, but he hears that dark and eternal shot, and knows that it was a thorn, cruel, ugly, dark. Note: Dredgen was the last forebearer and the First in his family. So he created the name Shin runs, and finds the ghost, it speaks to him about something(maybe We'll find out) maybe perhaps turning him into a guardian(unlikely) or giving him the last word(likely) He hunts his old mentor, sees his dark side at dwindlers ridge, and kills him by saying the exact line that made their friendship meaningful "Yours, not mine" Why else would he say a line to Dregden that only jaren would understand? [/spoiler] End of the mystery 2 grimoire analyzed. If you haven't read go to my grimoire I have it [spoiler]A star I think. We count on stars as steady friends because they always rise and always shine but a star's a delicate truce: an explosion caught by its own mass so that it can't erupt and can't collapse. Thus I imagine the state of the machine might be. But one force or another has gone awry and now it rests here, snuffed and broken, waiting for the two rival forms of ruin to be set in balance again.[/quote] Now it talks of a stars being steady friends, something we can count on. The machine, which I believe as Rasputin, is the steady friend, that caught itself by his own mass, meaning when he shut himself down in the darkness 1 Grimoire, and now he rests, waiting for the two rival forma to be balanced again, the darkness and the light. Now does this mean Rasputin can't help us again? Do we need to help the traveler so his sacrifice wasn't in vain?[/spoiler] Kabr(outdated but wanted to put it out there) [spoiler]Kabr: Leader of the original vault of glass raid. Titan. Only survivor of most attempts, last attempt Is believed to have osiris and pahanin in it and escaping the vault One theory suggests that his madness was created by the Gorgons, when they erased his Fireteam from existence. Support: Kabr said to pahanin in the vault of glass grimoire: no one can open the vault alone. No one was with me but I was not alone. The reasoning behind This is that once the Gorgons erased his Fireteam From ever existing, he went mad, since he knew he didn't do these actions alone. But he did since his Fireteam never existed, therefore not letting him remember anyone. Vex mythoclast: One theory suggests that its origins being vex but fitting a humans hands shows that the vex needed a human to fight something in the future. Some suggest that the enemy is the hive, since they haven't fought them yet, and have a lot more power. My belief is that Atheon, being an anti mind to the mass of the vex, had the mythoclast designed to fight a enemy that serves the darkness, maybe a fifth race. Most vex pray the black heart, while atheon, aka no religion, is neutral to light and the darkness. He or it may have needed guardians, the wielders of light, to fight something dark in a future time. Why else haven't the vex wiped us out entirely yet, if they can time travel? The vex, being a race who doesn't accept alpha lupi, needs guardians to fight the enemy. Without us they may have failed in the future and are seeking a way out of their destruction[/spoiler] Rasputin theory- I don't think this is possible. This is my first theory back in January or so, maybe February. [spoiler]Destiny:The warmind theory In destiny, the main character... Is Rasputin! I have some evidence. 1) you start out dead within a mile of his main bunker. You also start out in the cosmodrome, where his security over Mankind started, because that was when the people in destiny's golden age first took flight to other planets, around the time where those technological advances happened and we were able to make the warmind. Your also in Russia, and Rasputin is Russian. He isn't evil, but he's a big character. 2) the vanguard in the grimoire cards are always looking for him, but the speaker never does. That's because he sent ghost to find his body. When I say body this what I'm inferring: with the Golden age technology gone and civilization scrambled, I think Rasputin found a way to put his intelligence into a life form, near his central programming(cosmodrome). Now here's my core evidence: Ghost was saying, when finding the main characters body: "is it possible?" He's inferring to the possibility of what Rasputin did. The reason rasputin did it was because he had the ultimate war intelligence of any being ever to live, which meant that he most likely had the same talent in war too. The thing to tie this together is the cinematic with the speaker. He says that you must push the darkness away, and after he says that he hopes ghost chose right. This is because he didn't know which guardian contained Rasputin's mind, and he sent ghost to make the decision. The way the speaker of this truth is because the traveler told him about this, and knew of Rasputin's intellegence and importance to humanities survival. With this theory everything makes sense: why else would it the main character be trusted, as a newly revived guardian, to choose the fate of the "light"? Rasputin still was needed so he left all his completely robotic intelligence as a, well, computer, or warmind, to protect things like the seraphim vault, and that building in freehold(meridian bay), while all the human intelligence that was able to adapt and evolve into a human, or exo (or awoken, I know that's a loose knot in my theory) that would become a guardian. By doing this he lost his memory, and only has the instincts and natural talent of war left to give the main character. [/spoiler]