[quote]I'm sorry is it funny being wrong? Both Bungie and I agree in how they should be balancing [i]their[/i] game? Yet [i]we[/i] are all wrong? And you are right? You are right... That is pretty funny now that it becomes clearer. You can sit on yet more conjecture (as usual) about how I will react when Thorn inevitably gets nerfed. But you heard it here first... Please bookmark it now so you can use it my "inevitable" future nerf threads. Here's my balance take: Pulse rifles are perfect. Never change them again. All Handcannons are well balanced save for two of the three exotic ones. Thorn because it's too good at everything, and TLW because it's glitched. Auto rifles need a substantial buff to where they were before the second nerf. They were perfect then. Scout rifles need a small buff. I'd like to see a ROF buff to all models so they can stay competitive with PR's. Snipers are snipers... Final round doesn't bother me - as there is a larger risk for missing. Shotguns can still make me scratch my head sometimes at their range... But whatever, it was my fault for letting him close the distance. I can deal. Fusions can still be good, but I miss the launch version. I'd like to see them restored. And heavy weapons are fine. There you go mate... This completely invalidates your claims about my "agenda". Use it all you want. My actual agenda is to persuade the masses that more balance = more fun for everyone. And I know Bungie feels the same way. Putting that into practice however, is [b]very[/b] difficult... I'm sure. Currently, Thorn is ruining that goal, and I am trying to convince the masses my friend. Not get my way.... And finally, Thorn doesn't make me salty at all. It [b]bores[/b] me, and it makes me weep how people use whatever is the clear cut best rather than choosing a gun that best fits [b]them[/b]. The solution is having [b]no[/b] clear cut best. But rather give and take [b]options[/b]. I'm here to help Bungie make their goal happen. I get... "Passionate" in Thorn threads, not because Thorn makes me mad... Idiots however... Make me salty.[/quote] Thorn is to good you said....but, Last Word shoots faster. And Red Hand during TDB has AoE, Thorn doesn't. Thorn only has 9 shots. Thorn takes up a large portion of the screen. Other hand cannons dont. I don't think thorn is a problem I recently obtained it. It's very nice but I prefer other weapons over it. It has its use but I don't think it needs to be a topic of huge debate.