Very nice point about red death vs. thorn. Hit home for me personal, as I was a thorn guy till they nerfed the range and buffed pulse rifles to hell. :D I also use the vex(for the fusion rifle bounty only though, the nerf party killed the accuracy and range here too). Same reason I don't use the suros, all the damn nerfs. So I'll keep on with RD till they nerf that. :) #Nerfthenerfs P.S. Nerfs suck, they don't/won't/have never/probably can't work. Same with helping a game. They invariably and without exception are a bad bad thing that never ends once started and only appeal to the worst segment of a player base.