red death > thorn. I -blam!- up thorn users with ease. it makes me wonder why someone would write an article how the 2nd best PVP gun is OP. only way thorn stands a chance is because the DoT still trickles health even after the user is dead. getting a postmortem with a primary weapon is bullshit anyway as I'm sure you agree. you guys are circling the wagons on quodron and not skolas.