Oh no a website full of the same crap your talking now. Also yes I do play PvE more because I like it more. Is that a crime? Also on the other hand I do play crucible I use thorn sometimes and I use other weapons also. So explain to me how that discredits me? That's what your trying to do by stating that I'm a PvE only fool or some crap. It all takes skill no matter what if I have a Suros and you have a thorn and we both just get head shots we will kill each other. Thorn can kill people in two shots yes, but that's with damage over time if I'm not hiding waiting to die around the corner you will die with me. If we're in a straight up gun battle your going to have to hit me three times in the head with thorn which give me enough time to kill you back whether you wait for the burn or go for another shot. Same shit with any other weapons it's all about getting head shots in any PvP game. I've actual been killed more by Last word and its western shooting then thorn and its burn. All guns take skill to use you just have to find the right one for you.