Are you aware that Auto's have nerfed twice? The first time was - like the current Thorn- because there was no point to use anything else. They out ranged scouts and pulse rifles, and had very good stability with good perks, and very low TTK's. They got balanced to a point where they functioned exactly as expected. Everyone was happy, and no one complained about AR's. They then got nerfed again due to their crazy overuse in this game. Mostly due to their overuse in PVE. This happened. Sorry pal. Look it up. This nerf rendered them useless. Ipso/facto, crucible balance made the weapon perfectly balanced. And then the PVE only crowd caused Bungie to ruin this weapon type for everyone. The PVE crowd then proceeds to blame crucible balance. This is not opinion, this is not conjecture, these are the facts.