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Edited by Beetle Blast:
6/8/2015 2:20:47 PM
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Should Thorn be nerfed? Or should the guns be buffed?
[b]Make sure you watch THE ENTIRE VIDEO[/b]
(take note I do not own the video in any way I just wish to see people's opinions about it)
IMO I do believe he has a point since I'm pretty sure the second Bungie nerfs Thorn, its going to be Last Word, then Red Death, then Hand Cannons, etc.
I wish to see what would happen if they buff other guns up to par with the Thorn, since so few other guns is required to go against it. It's either going to cause a more variety of guns to appear or its just going to cause everyone to keep using Thorn like nothing happened, or some other gun that is better then Thorn.
Regardless if buffing the guns does not work then simply just reverse it to point that it will turn everything into marshmellow shooters. (Cough Auto Rifles Cough)
Either way I want your opinions, since my voice cannot be heard alone, leave your opinions below, for the sake of balancing the crucible and pve.
( and please give a valid reason, not something like "auuggghhhh the Thhoorrrnnn isssss soooooo op" and "Thhhhoorrrrnnnn takes soooooooo much skill" otherwise you remind of her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAQBzjE-kvI )
[b]Edit 1[/b]: I have yet to see anyone make a 15 paragraph long comment about why the Thorn should be nerfed lol. Keep those votes coming in and spread the word, Bungie needs to know.
[b]Edit 2[/b]: a guy known as Pyromancer tK has made somewhat of a similar post as too this one. Here is the link:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/127135206/0/0
also I should mention that there is over 100 votes on guns that should be buffed up too Thorn. Keep those votes coming in :)
[b]Edit 3[/b]: I should probably mention that this forum isn't for me entirely. It's more[b] targeted towards[/b] those who [b]talk about weapon balancing[/b] and [b]nerf callouts[/b]. Also [b]Bungie[/b] if they actually manage to read this and put this into consideration (maybe even put a comment in about the subject, that would be the day).
[b]BUT I will not stop you convincing me[/b] to believe what is better. Pretty much the reason why I made this post in the first place.
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2 RepliesBump 😊
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Thorn is t even good lol
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Necrobump
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Really if they would just restore the auto rifle nerf back to it s original design everything would balance back out.
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The problem is that they fixed a weapon type (hand cannons) which they needed to and Pulse Rifles but the same day Nerfed Auto Riffles and never saw how all together would work and then try and balance ...thats what i think
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Edited by Ankokuseibutsu: 6/15/2015 4:06:31 AMThey should just put it back the way it was with the slow reload and 6 in the chamber. That way, it debilitates the thorn user the same way the gun debilitates those hit by it in terms of recovery time to get back into the fray. It also forces them to be precise with their limited ammo. I was shocked they even bothered buffing it to begin with. I did well with the old version of thorn. The new version is most definitely OP. But again, my main gripe with thorn is that the fast rate of fire, reload speed, and now 9 in the chamber rewards bullet spamming. And the dot happens on a body shot which basically takes you to a third of your health in one imprecise hit to the body. Moreover you can't recover until the dot ends so it further removes and punishes you from returning to the fray unlike any other gun in the game. My team and I strongly dislike using thorn because it is most definitely a crutch gun because of the aforementioned dot perk. In trials this week, we had to resort to using thorn to keep people on cauldron from pushing into the center room. Unfortunately our go-to Hawkmoon won't do that for you. It is most definitely a crutch gun at the moment. Take it back to 6 in the chamber and slow reload and you have something that tones it down and at the same time rewards someone with a precise hand. Right now it's geared for bullet spammers who can quickly reload after each engagement. If you have precision you can still engage 3 enemies before needing to reload with 6 in the chamber.
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Just make it so that you either don't get burn damage after the Thorn user's death or while standing still. Or shotgun/fusion rifle/snipe the guy.
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I think it would be nice if ARs were buffed back to be playable but not op, and thorn had just a little nerf.
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Buff auto rifles. They countered it when they were decent.
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I voted #3 Should Thorn be Nerfed? ... Not really (It is not completely game breaking...) Should other weapons be buffed? (A few, and some types yes) What would I do? Based on my experience using, and being used against me, I would implement changes to thorns DoT effect... Specifically, I would both make it renewable with each hit, and! remove the ability to kill via thorn poison... I believe people should have to work for their kill, (the only burns I am ok with are ones from abilities, or heavies... latter non existent yet) Instead of thorn's poison killing, I would have each tick beyond the 1hp limit, start stacking onto a debuff timer, which only starts to countdown after the poison ticks subside. Now how this debuff works for activation I have not settled on completely..... But the debuff would act like the weight of darkness/supressor grenade and presence of crota debuffs from the raid, preventing healing so long as it is active and hampering your movement abilities (and maybe other) 1 this debuff would at minimal, activate as soon as thorn poison starts ticking past 1, (starting separate from the countdown timer) Making your "prey" helpless to escape while you duck behind cover to recover, but would not give you a kill should they kill you outright in the firefight.... 2, this debuff could partially activate upon thorn poison effect,increasing with each successive hit while under the poison influence, and should your target be reduced past 1 hp, it would extend the timer, and possibly increase the effects. (more favorable for being of more use in PvE) 3, this effect, either of the 2 above ways, would always impose some sort of debuff along with the final round in the magazine (this would not be harmful in pvp and would guarantee some PvE helpfulness.... not to mention I think all exotic perks should complement and work in conjunction with the weapons other perk(s) )
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I'm just tired of seeing only thorn in trials of osiris.
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Buff ar again thorn does not need a nurf I just got thorn and still would rather use my last word or mida
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Drop Thorn's range, buff ARs and scouts, also fix fusion rifles and vex.
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If they nerf everything that everyone crus about people will just go back to using Suros
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Just un-nerf the auto rifles, job done.
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I completely agree with everything the guy in the video said accept one thing, how things like the dead shot luna cannot compete with thorn. It can, u just must be able to hit those headshots, those fast fire rate scout rifles are absolutely beastly in pvp and I have seen thorns destroyed by even things like the fang of it yût. That's the only thing I disagree with this guy about. Otherwise he stated everything else perfectly.
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3 RepliesPeople need to stop complaining about the game, and grow up. Either play the software you purchased the limited rights to play, or go back to playing something more child-friendly, rather than a Teen rated game.
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Edited by OreoShakeBuddy: 6/13/2015 10:40:39 AMThe problem is that Thorn is just one gun. Buffing up other guns to be on par with Thorn is not really an answer. You'll just run into the same problem over and over again. Thorn as well as the other exotic primaries would possibly benefit from being made equal in regards to pvp. That would allow people to truly have a wide variety of guns to choose from, because they would all feel powerful. Pvp would then become a test of gunplay and skill like it should've been in the first place. Hopefully it would also prevent any nerf action going on as well. I don't really like Thorn, but I agree that you can't really touch any one gun without doing something with the other ones as well.
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Buff thorn. Make it more stable add range and remove the timer for dot. Once shot it should tick until the player dies.
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If guns are buffed then defence and armor is useless however buff weapons that need it not my much like ARs and SRs and nerf thorn Dot damage
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Thorn is just right. They have addressed the DoT, all that is left to fix, is the range issue.
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I think only exotics should be buffed to thorns level
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Well I think the hand canons themself are to strong compare to the rest of the weapons. I'be been playing Iron Banner this weekend, and really the most weapon I'm getting killed by is a Thorn, Hawkmoon or the Last Word. Of course there are others like shotguns, but most of the deaths are Thorn deaths. And it's just frustrating that a Thorn kills you in 2 simple shots, it's range is way to big and it's accuracy is way to good. I on the other hand, am using Auto rifles, but it nearly takes me a whole magazine to kill a simple person, while a Thorn only takes 2 shots. I also own the Thorn, but I'm not using it because I don't like hand canons. If you use a pistol in any other shooting game, a pistol isn't that accurate. Go play CoD, Battlefield or for the ones who know Socom, the bullets are everywhere instead of just straight ahead. Now I'm not saying I hate the Thorn because I don't like hand canons, but only because its far more powerful than an average gun. It kinda ruins crucible games, your only facing Thorn people in a team, go and create pistol only servers if you like them so much, but please bring back the variety in the game and lower the hand canons especially the Thorn, or increase the damage for auto rifles, coz I'm kinda disappointed at the moment.
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6 RepliesI think everything should be set back to how it was in the beta
