[quote]I'm here to discuss "all other attributes" of weapons. Mag size, reload speed, has no direct impact of what it takes to kill a target. Multiple targets? Sure but nothing else.[/quote] That statement is completely false. If you miss your shots and need to reload and I'm still shooting at you because I have a 42 round magazine, that's advantage me. [quote]Your comparing primaries with weapons like snipers, shotguns, which legit makes no sense and your excuse is my gripe with the game, TTK. Yet in every other shooter snipers kill in one headshot, some one body shot. Shotguns which are a one hit kill at close range in any FPS.[/quote] I'm comparing potential TTK, doesn't matter what weapon it is. Not sure what you're not grasping there. [quote]The Thorn and TLW are so predominately used the average TTK in crucible has essentially take a huge plunge in it of itself. It doesn't help that shotguns still have absurd range, snipers aren't that hard to use and fusion rifles have been nerfed to be all by useless and probably forced to switch over to a shotty.[/quote] Speculation, conjecture and flat out bulls**t. Fusion Rifles are just as stupid awesome as they've ever been, you just can't use them if you think otherwise. [quote]If you played since the beta/alpha you would know the TTK in PvP has just been getting lower and lower. In the beta there were gunfights, that weren't over after exchanging 2-3 bullets. Now it's essentially turned into CoD where people are just running around 2-3 shot primary weapons, shotguns that one hit kill at close to mid range and snipers that probably take the most skill to use but even that's being generous.[/quote] Then switch weapons and try to have fun instead of worrying what the hell anyone else uses. It's a freaking game.