I've been thinking.. I think whats the main problem with the Thorn is all the LAG in PVP. The lag makes the gun seem allot worse because your still burning and taking damage, though your not doing any damage to the Thorn user. The lag in IB was soo bad for me last night, the Burn was killing me faster then the Red Death could rejuvenate my health, which was making me feel frustrated as all I was doing was going neutral. It's the LAG wall in Crucible that's the problem.