I read your post but I'm sorry saying it's not OP is a absurd argument. I think most people concern is that it'll bleed into PvE. Which most PvP aren't asking for. We're asking for it to be looked at individually in PvP. The true reason Thorn is OP is its TTK. If you haven't actually taken the time to look at destiny TTK chart, then I'm not sure you should be throwing in your two cents on the gun, it kills in .36 seconds. Yes that's less than half a second. The second fastest killer in the game is the very often discussed TLW, which kills in .53 seconds. Yes that's about half a second. I know people will bring up Hawkmoon and it's one shot capability but the reality is that guns RNG, it's not CONSISTENT. Thats why it's not as used. It's not consistent but instead dependent on a ability that randomly triggers. People don't want to bring in randomness to their gunfights. Some people say "oh well it's easy to counter" sure it's manageable against sub par players. But I'm sure at some point you've come across these so called "skilled players" and their Thorns and TLW and realized using anything but the exact same loadout meant defeat. There is nothing skillful about these weapons. Truthfull there's nothing that skillful about destiny in general, we're talking about a game where there's actually a perk that increases aim assist (hidden hand) and grenades that legit out lock on to people and require very little nade skill (arc/fire/axion bolts) and let's not pretend the headshot hitbox isn't the size of a planet. In short in a very casual shooter like destiny Thorn and TLW aren't helping the cause. People liked Halo cause it was balanced, far more than Destiny but here's another reason, gunfights took SKILL it requires skill to have not only target acquisition but also maintain it cause you know your opponents didn't drop in 2-3 bullets. If you guys want to keep Thorn/TLW at the top of the food chain, you can't really bag on CoD for taking no skill cause essentially you die in 2-3 bullets in that too. There's a reason that franchise is so popular, it made every feel good about themselves. Anyone with lackluster aim suddenly was good cause all it took to kill some one was 2-3 bullets.