You are so blind it's becoming comical. No one cares that you may [i]or may not[/i] have out gunned a few bad thorn players using a [i]mediocre at best[/i] pulse rifle. You are presenting this argument using nothing but pure opinion disguised as truths. You keep ignoring the facts. It's actually more than 50% of players [i]per game[/i] that are using thorn. If you deny this, you simply aren't playing this game. Why is this the scenario? Because it's Too... Good... It's too easy to use. The Dot isn't even its biggest issue. Here's a [b]fact[/b]. It has too much range for its class, and it has the [b]best ROF[/b] compared to similar guns of its impact. This means it has the fastest, most consistent TTK this game has ever seen in a primary weapon. And furthermore, it's ROF allows users to kill you far too quickly with [b]body shots[/b]... Why should that be rewarded? Who knows.... But it's being rewarded. This makes Thorn far too easy to use. Far too forgiving, and most of all... [b]Far too hard to not use[/b] Period. No one gives a shit if you "coil hissed" a few thorns. It doesn't change the [b]FACT[/b] that the PVP in this game is becoming more and more saturated with Thorns. Bungie has said themselves that if this were to happen, they have clearly done something wrong.... Another [b]FACT[/b]. I suggest you start dealing with truths and not your magical fantasy Disney analogies that have failed completely to accurately explain the current situation. Now after all this, let's add in its DOT. Pure imbalanced crutch worthy garbage. One last fact for you to digest: If you don't think Thorn is unbalanced its for the following 2 reasons. 1. You use it far too often, and you enjoy how much better you are doing. You fear losing your crutch. 2. You care far too much about the PVE aspect of weapon balance. Your opinion is biased towards having the strongest weapons no matter what, and you are still salty over the AR nerf that was [i]gasp[/i]... caused by overuse of PVE players. You are clearly a #2. And either way, you are blind and completely ignorant to continue ignoring the simple truths that are thorning you right in the face. Edit: Lastly. Here's an article that was released days after I wrote this post, only clarifying my original points even more. http://planetdestiny.com/thorn-crucible-balance/ The OP keeps refusing to acknowledge me in a direct reply. I'm presuming he's far too fearful of looking defeated. But its straight up the truth OP. Yet [i]one more[/i] truth you can't seem to absorb. Not like I'm surprised.