The only reason people want it to be nerf'd is because they aren't playing smart and as a result getting rekt by it, then getting upset and making these post. We've all been there, getting frustrated because you get killed by thorn so you start getting angry and your skill goes out the window.

DoT should be decreased by a few points and range reduced slightly, it still has as much range as a sniper. Bungie wanted a balanced PvP, where everything can beat everything. Well, with only a few weapons running around (because they are hard to beat, so people just use those) you can't claim to have a balanced PvP. And to those that claim "these are exotic weapons, they're meant to be overpowered", look up the definition of exotic. It means different, unique. Each exotic has its uniqueness. Even Bungie said that exotics were only supposed to SEEM overpowered, not BE overpowered. Suros Regime can heal you with the bottom of its mag and it has slow but strong ads rof while being accurate. Bad Juju helps charge super and has a "bottomless mag" as long as you get a kill before needing to reload. MIDA Multi-tool always faster movement and has always active radar. Hard Light has bouncing bullets that can overpenetrate some things. These are an example of weapons that "feel" overpowered with not being that. Thorn is a "2 headshot and run" or a "3 body shot and run" gun. DoT is its unique trait but it shouldn't be so strong. RoF, high impact, long range and good stability make this gun overpowered. The Last Word currently has a glitch in it that allows hipfire bonus precision damage to be on ads damage when it's not supposed to. While its a good gun and its trait was meant for hipfire, it is overpowered (due to a glitch, but it's still op). Red Death is a 2 headshot kill gun that heals every time you kill. While healing every kill is helpful in PvE, in PvP it can devastate entire teams in no time at all. These are examples of overpowered guns. While Red Death isn't so much op as Thorn or TLW, it still is a bit strong imo. I do not mention Vex Mythoclast or Hawkmoon here because a.) I believe Vex has finally been perfected in where it should've been at first and needs to stay and b.) I play on Xbox One and do not have the opportunity (yet) to try Hawkmoon for myself. I have played with every weapon I mentioned, and these are my thoughts and opinions based on personal data and on feedback posts ive read.

I truly don't understand how people die so much to Thorn. If you die by the actual bullet part, it's not dying to Thorn, it's dying to a hand cannon, which there are many in the game. Landing 3 shots with almost all hand cannons will kill so the only logical reason for nerf is the DoT. If you get shot once by Thorn and you're entire screen turns green, why are you sitting in the fight anyways, you're already half dead. Most people are with teammates so when a thorn user takes one shot and his teammate hits you with Red Death but the DoT on Thorn kills you, why is Thorn getting nerfed but not Red Death. If its that the Thorn user is long ranging you, use a Scout Rifle or Sniper and you can easily win the fight. If none of these work, why not use a Thorn yourself? It's not difficult to adapt to it, since you've probably been using a Hand Cannon anyways. Any skilled Hand Cannon users have used Last Word, and how is this that much worse than Thorn to where Thorn should be, basically, useless but leave in all the other "OP" weapons.

Full disclosure... I use Thorn. In my opinion, it is absolutely ONE of the best guns in crucible. I don't think it is any better than the other "top tier" weapons, such as Last Word, Vex, and Red Death. I don't notice myself getting killed by it more than other guns. I find The Last Word much more difficult to deal with. I think the reason people hate the Thorn is that they can "win" a gun battle and still be killed by the DoT.

Hahahahahahahahaha. This poll proves my point. The fact that everyone who argues against a Thorn nerf are just those people are afraid that it will hurt their favorite OP gun and make them use some skill again. Point proven. Thank you forum.

I don't think it should be nerfed but I think I needs a slight decrease in ROF.

Why complain about Thorn. Red Death is a 2 shot killer with health regen. I can take out 3 at a time with it. Mida is a 3 shot kill with stagger. Once you hit some one with Mida they never get to shoot you back. And it kills very quickly. My fav weapon at the moment is Mida as it stops thorn users from getting a second shot. And yes I do have a thorn but choose not to use it because I am not very good with a HC.

Red death, the last word, shotguns, snipers, timurs lash These are some guns i use that efficiently match thorn in damage (minus DOT) and lets me kill them

I don't believe in nerfs, there's been too many and probably some bad ones still to come. That being said, I was getting wrecked in IB on my Titan, most of it from thorn. So I switched to my thorn (still at 331) and went from last on my team to finishing in third. Didn't change my play style at all, just switched to Thorn. I don't agree with nerfs! But what I did shouldn't be possible just by switching to a certain weapon.

Last word destroys thorn

What if they need the Poison and not the gun? That would take away the whole 2 shots and run away thing ?

Having a thorn and using it in PvP isn't any different than a Gally used in PvE. It's all RNG. Technically everyone has the same opportunity and chance to get it. If people are tired of it in crucible, there are ways to avoid getting killed by thorn. Secondly, Thorn is generally a 2 head shot kill. Red Death is also a 2 head shot kill. No one complains about Red Death however do they? If there are people complaining about Thorn, they should be equally as many complaining about Red Death. However, there is not. Can anyone explain to me why this is true? My perception is that people are tired of killing someone with Thorn only to die via Burn afterwords. Speaking of burn, why are there no threads to nerd sun singer ability that always procs burn and extends burn duration? Constructive arguments here would be nice. Thanks…

I don't think Thorn itself needs to be nerfed. I think all other weapons require a buff. Thorn is a good gun but it seems to dominate because all the other weapons are so underwhelming.