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6/3/2015 10:16:00 PM
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Feminism and Gender (Intelligent Conversation)
The Bruce Jenner sensation brought me back to reading into where these ideals came from.
If you do not know who Judith Butler is please leave. Many of you millennials talk about identity and feminism like it is going out of style and probably haven't read a word of what it is about.
To start off I have never been in favor of Gender Identity or Feminism for several personal and philosophical reasons.
But after thumbing through Butler's book [i]Gender Trouble[/i] I can see how it makes sense that one is born one way but perceives itself in another. Amencia explains that to be in conflict with one's identity violates any justification of one's self.
From a pragmatic view a female is born with half of the reproductive organs necessary to procreate so regardless of how one "identifies" one must understand they were born with the basic structure for what society perceives as a woman.
Butler states that a woman is "made" from cultural influence and pressure of what a female should do/dress/act.
Following this logic Bruce Jenner believes he identifies as a woman yet does not have the basic structure (female sex) to fully realize his identity.
To compensate he has taken the drastic change of conforming to societal perception of [i]what[/i] a woman (gender) is.
Going back to Amencia's "Law of Identity" those that are "confused" are in conflict do not have an identity and do not have any justification of what or who they are. This is understandable and I can agree to that, however I do not believe one can change their identity without conflict and it goes against a state of nature we do not yet understand.
Bruce was raised as a male and became a man and will always be a man regardless of how he dresses acts or looks.
He was born with the basic structure and essence of a male and can act and look like a woman all he wants but in the grand scheme of the universe he is just a conflicted confused person.
Response must be answered using the Socratic Method.
If you are to argue in favor/against what a "woman" "gender" Female/male" is please define its essence.
Pro Tip: you probably cant because several people far more intelligent than you have yet to uncover the "pure essence of existence"
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I don't like the idea of gender in general. You're born a male or female, and while I can't claim to be an expert on how transgenders come to be, it's entirely silly to me that they would care so much about their gender identity. To me, gender when describing yourself is just a dumb way to say personality and interests. You can be a man and have more stereotypically feminine interests, but that doesn't make you a woman inside. Defining men and women is kind of a gray area to me, because the stereotypical societal genders change with society. That just makes transgenders that much sillier to me. I don't understand the rationale behind it.
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1 Reply[quote] Response must be answered using the Socratic Method. [/quote]
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I do believe in feminism ,that men and women should be treated equal but American feminism is stupid
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1 Replyillustration for those that need one
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2 RepliesOf course you are and always will be either male or female in the sense that youre born with either one part or another. I think the issues with all this silly nonsense occur with society. People with certain parts are expected to act and say and like different things than people with different parts. Which doesnt make much sense to me... What does having a weiner have to do with liking the color blue? Anyhow, if that were to disappear and people were allowed to do and say and like whatever they want, despite what parts they have, I imagine the desire to have a sex change would dramatically lower or maybe even disappear. Since you are no longer defined by what parts you have, what reason would you have to want change them? Have nothing against people that have sex changes, though. Go for it. But I think its kind of avoiding the real issue(s). Or tip-toeing around them.
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8 RepliesI prefer biological definitions. Male or female. Yes hemaphrodites happen. Now as for this whole trans thing, I think some men are feminine, others are masculine, some women are feminine, others are masculine and some are in between for both sexes. Maybe a person feels they relate more to the opposite gender/sex, [spoiler]these are the same to me, I'm aware of the movement to redefine gender, I don't recognize it[/spoiler] or they don't fit societies idea of what they were born as. But that does [b]not[/b] change what they are. The real issue is removing stereotypes in a society where everyone is encouraged to be themselves, not encouraging people to change themselves to fit a different stereotype they think they might identify with better.
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1 Reply>intelligent conversation >offtopic Pick one.
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no one in offtopic is intelligent.
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[quote]Bruce Jenner[/quote] Stop right there... get out with that retarded topic, no one cares
