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5/31/2015 10:47:13 PM
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Thats the nature of convenience of match making. If you like to use the forum then do so. Others want matchmaking. No reason both can't exist. Make it optional. I just don't see why people oppose matchmaking when it won't do anything to change the way they play.
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Edited by Synge_X: 6/13/2015 8:13:59 PMI'm not against optimal matchmaking but for whatever reason, and I'm not speculating, Bungie takes a good bit of time to issue updates. Before tackling the financial and logistical burden of implementing servers for MM, they could instead implement dedicated servers. You guys say that you can't access content? There are literally people who's connection can't be matched with other players under the current peer to peer network(which basically just connects players to other players consoles: hence the animal codes). Hundreds of people are having a terrible time with crucible due to the pervasive lag caused by connecting players in such a random fashion. With no dedicated servers, scripts like "punk buster"(BF4) can't be ran server side to manage lag switchers and cheaters. Everyone of these issues hold just as much weight with the community and need to be addressed. If you experience horrid lag in PVP?= deal with it If you can't even connect or experience repeated disconnects? = deal with it If you don't understand crucible because you are pumping entire clips into a red bar player? = get gud scrub If your 9-0 streak is ruined by a DDOS attack? = stay out of trials. Having issues tackling end game content? = make friends and join the community, help others with content. For me, it's an issue of priority. And it's clear what that priority should be. Why is it not the concern of half of vocal minority? Because most people have no idea what "matchmaking" is. Immediately after these game destroying issues are handled, I will be right by your side about matchmaking, even though based on my own experience, clans and statics are more successful and more enjoyable.
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This^^
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It would degrade the forums by driving the player base into matchmaking. Decentralizing the location by which we (the majority of players) find and organize raids and crucible teams would be disastrous and revert the game back to the draconian halo days of matchmaking terror.
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What's the difference of having it in game optional and going on lfg And finding people
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Edited by FireBroncaEagle: 6/1/2015 5:22:35 PMDirect access to information in game
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That's actually a good point. The fact that MM would decimate the people slogging through LFG sites is a great example of why MM as at least an option is the way to go! If LFG was SO much better, adding MM wouldn't do a thing, because nobody would use it. But as you just yourself said, everyone WOULD go to it. Because the results are no better or worse, you simply get them with the press of a button and in literally a 15th the time.
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Crucible already has matchmaking. Trials doesn't and I'm good with that. Raids need matchmaking.
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Raids need a focal point IN GAME for hookups. Matchmaking will pull people away from finding a good group and will make it harder for new players to experience it free from random bs. It decentralizes what is fundamental to finding good groups.
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Majority? I've seen far more arguements for matchmaking. While players would migrate towards matchmaking I'd think the players left on the forums would be the ones that really want to use this system. If anything it would trim fat off the forum base. Matchmaking is far more convenient and every major game I've played in the last ten years has had it. Destiny is just behind the times.
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I say the majority because its what everyone uses, not necessarily what they want. The fat you speak of is not something you should so quickly shrug off either. Those players benefit from lfg whether they realize it or not, and a vocal minority or an ignorant majority doesn't make my reasoning any less sound.
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Your "reasoning" probably can't be made any less sound. You've about maxed that area out by pursuing an argument that actually argues for the opposing point of view.
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This is a misperception on your part. My point has been simple and clear. Matchmaking can work if implemented with care and prejudice. The forums are a goldmine for finding new groups and dividing the ways you get that group will make the recruitment forum evaporate. Everyone will take the easier route and use matchmaking, which is sub par for finding reliable teammates for difficult content.
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"Point" is a tad strong. Simple however, perfectly apt. And you're still saying "if there's mm, nobody will use the out of game methods". And you're pretty close to right. Virtually everyone would use the in game, faster easier method. BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IN GAME, FASTER, AND EASIER. Dumbass.
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Edited by FireBroncaEagle: 6/1/2015 6:05:09 PMWow. That was harsh bro. I've not resorted to degrading your character because it has nothing to do with the argument, which j have to point out has been (I thought) cordial and mature. Regardless, you seem to agree, at least partially, that op mm would detract from lfg because it would be easier. The next thing I'm proposing is that this would make raiding less reliable and social because everyone could play micless without having to live up to the expectations of the fire team leader. Having the option to kick is essential in a raid. Having communication is essential for newbies and vets alike. Anyway...hope you have a fine day young man. Perhaps you'll realize how insensitive and ignorant you're being when you fall back on insults and objectifying remarks. Perhaps.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree. It's obvious we both enjoy a different future for the game.
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That's unfortunate friend. I'm happy to continue discussing the finer points so we can reconcile our different beliefs. The truth is worth examining.
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I DO think it would be nice to have this integrated into the game somehow rather than through an app....but it really does work. The tower needs a kiosk with a link to the recruitment section...
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You do know If that was done it would be a general form of Optional Matchmaking
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Edited by FireBroncaEagle: 6/1/2015 4:54:53 AMWhat I'm suggesting is not optional [i]matchmaking[/i] for [i]all[/i] playlists . I suggest having an integrated social area to find specific guardians just like the forum, and NOT randomized or "true skill" quick solutions. Then add optional matchmaking for things that don't require strong teams or social skills.
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I just dont understand how everyone assumes it HAS to be random theres many different ways to add it in without the randomness but yea
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I didn't think I was making any real assumptions about possibilities. Sorry if I came off that way. I also understand why people want matchmaking . it can make life easier. I fought the idea of no matchmaking until I realized the game offered and fostered a more useful and purpose driven outlet than the almost archaic services from previous bungie games. My biggest concern though is that adding optional matchmaking to the raids would not only drive focus away from the forums and their utility, but allow for less engaging group experiences. Less people on lfg's means less legit raid crews and more reason to just throw it into matchmaking. in the past it has been a bottleneck for abuse and misuse, while server browsing and actual communication offer a better alternative to team building.
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Your major point is still the main reason matchmaking is the better option. This post, however was a lot more clear on what you're trying to say. Still and all, current method has only allowed 1 out of 5 people to get through ONE raid. Ever. 1 in 5. If you're going to try and defend that, no matter the rationale, there is no further point speaking on it with you.
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I've been clear throughout all my posts, and the only difference in the last one was that I apologized because you implied I was making assumptions. My point is still the same and doesn't counteract my argument. I still am sorry if your perception of my words is wonky. I'll try again. 1 out of 5 people playing endgame content was foreseen by the developers, and I don't think having the inability to access a free app on a smart phone is good enough reason for statistics like that (which comes from where? I have no clue) to exist, and concurrently to blame the system, or the folks who run it, would be irrational based on the idea that a majority of people who buy their games will some day beat it. They won't, and so instead of degrading the content so more can access it, the devs chose to preserve and refine it. Makes sense to me.
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20% endgame participation was the idea?! Read the entire op, you absolute moron. I'm glad you're posting this meritless invalid crap in a thread that nobody isn't actively commenting in can see anymore. And don't tell me you did. Hell even without that, I seem to recall hearing about how this expansion was going to be all about removing barriers and....you know what? Nevermind. You either can't or won't understand whats being said. I both pity, and mute you now. You simply aren't worth the effort of more more keystrokes.
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Bad attitude. Block out those you disagree with. Goodbye princess.
