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5/31/2015 10:11:06 PM
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You're argument isn't making sense. This game has a large and diverse player base. Lots of people frequent these forums and others like it. If you can't be bothered to open your phone or sit down behind your computer to find a partner then perhaps you should come out of the middle ages.
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Edited by Synge_X: 6/13/2015 7:48:47 PMThey can't and won't use the forums to recruit. However, they can get on the forums and write 15 extremely detailed complaint posts, argue incessantly with anyone who disagrees, and create discord. The truth is, there are enough people in this thread to have connected, made friends and downed Atheon several times despite any of our opinions. No need for inaccurate stats to see that simple reality.
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I can't even downvote you, because everyone beat me to it. Lol.
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Edited by malitove: 5/31/2015 10:23:45 PMMatchmaking is the higher tech. Looking on a forum for an hour for players only to find out they can't play worth a crap is annoying and time consuming. Matchmaking can find you a party in five minutes or less and if they end up being scrubs backout and try again. This makes getting into the game faster and you can be matched with similar players.
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This is exactly what makes MM bad.
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Until the system is fed misleading and often times bogus data that doesn't actually represent your assets or specific skills in hard to ascertain categories. Its the same reason IQ tests are so unreliable. The data doesn't cover everything and will feed people bullshit ideas about where they stack in the line up. Aggregators and shortcuts will marginalize players who depend on meeting people and forming dependable relationships. Having the freedom to determine who you play with is fundamental to experiencing long arduous tasks at their fullest. I ran matchmaking solo for years and never maintained a large friends list because everyone was in it silent trying to get their selfish gain. It was lonely and sucked by comparison. Now I use the forums and have 200+ active guardians to play with regularly. The forum now exists for me as a way to meet NEW friends and to help others. If we were allowed to just throw ourselves blindly into matchmaking this place would be ghost town ground zero and we would lose this resource.
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Then use lfg. But matchmaking can be added as an option for those who want it. I bet if it were added as an option, you would secretly use it.
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I would openly use it because the current model would break.
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Goodie for you. You won't need optional matchmaking. You made the closest thing to a point you're going to. To continue is to be a troll.
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Thats the nature of convenience of match making. If you like to use the forum then do so. Others want matchmaking. No reason both can't exist. Make it optional. I just don't see why people oppose matchmaking when it won't do anything to change the way they play.
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Edited by Synge_X: 6/13/2015 8:13:59 PMI'm not against optimal matchmaking but for whatever reason, and I'm not speculating, Bungie takes a good bit of time to issue updates. Before tackling the financial and logistical burden of implementing servers for MM, they could instead implement dedicated servers. You guys say that you can't access content? There are literally people who's connection can't be matched with other players under the current peer to peer network(which basically just connects players to other players consoles: hence the animal codes). Hundreds of people are having a terrible time with crucible due to the pervasive lag caused by connecting players in such a random fashion. With no dedicated servers, scripts like "punk buster"(BF4) can't be ran server side to manage lag switchers and cheaters. Everyone of these issues hold just as much weight with the community and need to be addressed. If you experience horrid lag in PVP?= deal with it If you can't even connect or experience repeated disconnects? = deal with it If you don't understand crucible because you are pumping entire clips into a red bar player? = get gud scrub If your 9-0 streak is ruined by a DDOS attack? = stay out of trials. Having issues tackling end game content? = make friends and join the community, help others with content. For me, it's an issue of priority. And it's clear what that priority should be. Why is it not the concern of half of vocal minority? Because most people have no idea what "matchmaking" is. Immediately after these game destroying issues are handled, I will be right by your side about matchmaking, even though based on my own experience, clans and statics are more successful and more enjoyable.
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This^^
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It would degrade the forums by driving the player base into matchmaking. Decentralizing the location by which we (the majority of players) find and organize raids and crucible teams would be disastrous and revert the game back to the draconian halo days of matchmaking terror.
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What's the difference of having it in game optional and going on lfg And finding people
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Edited by FireBroncaEagle: 6/1/2015 5:22:35 PMDirect access to information in game
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That's actually a good point. The fact that MM would decimate the people slogging through LFG sites is a great example of why MM as at least an option is the way to go! If LFG was SO much better, adding MM wouldn't do a thing, because nobody would use it. But as you just yourself said, everyone WOULD go to it. Because the results are no better or worse, you simply get them with the press of a button and in literally a 15th the time.
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Crucible already has matchmaking. Trials doesn't and I'm good with that. Raids need matchmaking.
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Raids need a focal point IN GAME for hookups. Matchmaking will pull people away from finding a good group and will make it harder for new players to experience it free from random bs. It decentralizes what is fundamental to finding good groups.
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Majority? I've seen far more arguements for matchmaking. While players would migrate towards matchmaking I'd think the players left on the forums would be the ones that really want to use this system. If anything it would trim fat off the forum base. Matchmaking is far more convenient and every major game I've played in the last ten years has had it. Destiny is just behind the times.
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I say the majority because its what everyone uses, not necessarily what they want. The fat you speak of is not something you should so quickly shrug off either. Those players benefit from lfg whether they realize it or not, and a vocal minority or an ignorant majority doesn't make my reasoning any less sound.
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Your "reasoning" probably can't be made any less sound. You've about maxed that area out by pursuing an argument that actually argues for the opposing point of view.
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This is a misperception on your part. My point has been simple and clear. Matchmaking can work if implemented with care and prejudice. The forums are a goldmine for finding new groups and dividing the ways you get that group will make the recruitment forum evaporate. Everyone will take the easier route and use matchmaking, which is sub par for finding reliable teammates for difficult content.
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"Point" is a tad strong. Simple however, perfectly apt. And you're still saying "if there's mm, nobody will use the out of game methods". And you're pretty close to right. Virtually everyone would use the in game, faster easier method. BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IN GAME, FASTER, AND EASIER. Dumbass.
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Edited by FireBroncaEagle: 6/1/2015 6:05:09 PMWow. That was harsh bro. I've not resorted to degrading your character because it has nothing to do with the argument, which j have to point out has been (I thought) cordial and mature. Regardless, you seem to agree, at least partially, that op mm would detract from lfg because it would be easier. The next thing I'm proposing is that this would make raiding less reliable and social because everyone could play micless without having to live up to the expectations of the fire team leader. Having the option to kick is essential in a raid. Having communication is essential for newbies and vets alike. Anyway...hope you have a fine day young man. Perhaps you'll realize how insensitive and ignorant you're being when you fall back on insults and objectifying remarks. Perhaps.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree. It's obvious we both enjoy a different future for the game.
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That's unfortunate friend. I'm happy to continue discussing the finer points so we can reconcile our different beliefs. The truth is worth examining.
