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Edited by JustOnePepsi: 6/1/2015 4:06:26 PM
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Bungie doesn't understand how firearms work.

Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous. I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."? This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly. http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...) http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png And most Destiny revolvers are like this. http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress. It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version. http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers. So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs. *sigh* http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys! And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why? Maybe Scout Rifles will be better? I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb. http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie! inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense... EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same. To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else... http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv

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  • Edited by pownenator: 5/30/2015 5:36:51 PM
    Proof you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    • I thought it was a cool read, fuxk the haters

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    • Case for the under barrel hand canons. Recoil is directed straight back instead of up.

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      • Ow we shoot weird aliens and robots with those...how can that be real? Its a game!!!

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      • Edited by mazerial: 5/30/2015 5:34:59 PM
        For whatever it may be worth, I feel your pain. I too have struggled with these types of questions. And other things related, like: I have years of training in aiming for center of mass. However in this game it is clearly intended that you will try to aim for the head. Three Little Words is a great remedy for that, BTW. Also, I'm so used to revolvers firing off the top of the cylinder that I have trouble hip-firing in the game because I end up shooting lower than my aim point. But I really enjoy the game, and I appreciate that all the guns have a different feel. And, most of the LMGs handle about like the M60, which is my closes IRL reference point. And that hatch cover really brings a lot back for me as well. I will say that I tend to sort weapon types by the ammo I would guess they'd use in real life, e.g. with ARs, I tend to think the high impact ones probably shoot something closer to a 7.62 round, while those like up for anything are probably more in the 5.56 or 5.45 range, and pea shooters are essentially firing pistol/smg rounds. Otherwise, I tend to agree with the view that while they may look kinda similar to real guns, they actually operate on different mechanics. This really comes up with how hand cannons tend to reload with a plug that doesn't even make sense for individual rounds. I tend to think it is some type of resource (matter/energy) that the gun is able to use. I mean, look at the dead shot luna. There's no box mag at all, just this cylinder on the bottom of the grip. This makes no sense in a 'bullet' context, but would work as a resource container (like air for a paintball gun...although you still need the projectiles for that, which are usually in a separate hopper). Thanks for the post! I thought I was alone! P.S. The scout rifles are my personal favorites from a real-world stance, in that I hope someday I could actually get something like the way they're designed here (and no I don't count the Steyrs and Tavors, and I think they are more like the pulse rifle design). But I can't for the life of me get my head around the purpose of the big structure on the bottom of the scout mags. Any ideas?

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      • Its a game mate not real life

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      • Edited by l cohen l: 5/30/2015 4:47:55 PM
        Yeah, they fire 'Kinetic Energy'. All weapons without an elemental burn say it. Each round contains energy, some Golden Age technology transfers that energy into and out of the barrel. You're welcome.

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        • Actually, there are a lot of MGs that follow in thunderlords realism: Deviant gravity-A Zombie Apocalypse WF47 Ghengis-E THE SWARM MG18A harms way

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        • Edited by G V Black: 5/30/2015 6:32:56 PM
          My take on it has always been that the Hand Cannons in the world of Destiny came about as a result of fascination with pre-golden age machinery and technology. They work like present day firearms, but with completely different inner workings; hence the massive hitting power and unrealistic ammunition capacities in some cases. Also, and others may have pointed this out, the Chiappa Rhino revolver has a barrel aligned with the low cylinder and a (false) hammer aligned with the high cylinder. This may have been a source of inspiration as many of Destiny's hand cannons also feature hexagonal cylinders.

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          • No one Gives A shit.

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          • Yeah they also did humans wrong it's like they have never seen one I mean blue humans what is that? Dude it's a game with flying people and space magic do you honestly think Bungie gave a -blam!- about how real guns work.

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          • Hahaha it's a VIDEOGAME

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          • This is a game about aliens and robots and so called gods and a big floating ball called a traveller. Why are you so fussed about gun mechanics? If you're so into it, please explain to me scientifically how a fusion rifle works or how a gun can have void damage and I will happily do everything I can to find out how these gun mechanics work.

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          • Destiny is the universe that has guns that shoot like that ;)

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          • I guess they were going for something like the Chiappa rhino with a low bore axis but they missed it a little.

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            • It's not real it's a video game

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            • It all works off space magic duh

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            • Ever wonder how this is a [spoiler][i]video game[/i][/spoiler]

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            • Let me readjust my finger gun while I'm at it

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            • Is this really a serious post? I don't see a #satire

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            • It's a game....lmfao

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              • Several hundred years can change the way guns are made. I say this statement for the hand cannons mostly, but as for the LMG... That gun in the picture is ridiculous lol.

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              • It's a game you -blam!-ing inbred

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              • You've literally never seen a Chiapa Rhino have you? Don't be dumb dude.

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              • You're playing a game where dead people, robots, and zombie elves use ballistic weapons and space magic to kill various groups of aliens because a giant, half dead ping-pong ball told them to. And [i]this[/i] is where you draw the line?!?

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                • I thought I was the only one...

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