Your forth point negated everything else you said. 9 in the mag + 68 in reserve = 97? Minimum 2 shot headshot, yet you can get 20+ kills with 9 bullets? In addition to that... [quote]Alright let me walk you through this The gun we have now, is nearly identical to the gun we had at launch. What changed? Mag increased from [b]6[/b] to 9 Reload speed increased by a fair bit As well as a minor buff to Stability and Weapon Handling (6 rounds, not 5, proving you have no idea what you're talking about.) (The stability buff it got was pretty small, and it always had Perfect Balance, meaning you have no idea what you're talking about) The damage however, along with the DoT, was [b]exactly the same[/b] And the general playerbase considered it trash. The buff it got? Did nothing but make it easier to use. Now, before the buff, the "accidental" DoT nerf from 7 per tick to 3 per tick just before one IrB. The gun was useless. I'd actually done fairly well with it up to that point, it was my main PvP weapon. It was hard to use, and I enjoyed the challenge of mastering it. And then they nerfed it, and it. was. unusable. I tried, and tried, but the fact of the matter was, without the DoT exactly where it is, the [b]gun is trash[/b]. Another point, do you know what I most commonly hear people say its great for? For doing the postmortem bounty because it's great at getting postmortem kills. ... ... ... [quote]because it's great at getting postmortem kills[/quote] [quote]getting postmortem kills[/quote] [quote]postmortem [/quote] Postmortem. As in it's great at getting kills [b]after the other guy has blown you (or I) [i]to ash.[/b][/i] It's a great gun to get outgunned with! Wait what? If it was so badly OP it wouldn't be so good at getting you Postmortems. Do you know what it really is? Fricking annoying to die to. And the problem with a gun that's fricking annoying to die to, is that you take notice of deaths to that weapon far more than any other weapon. You could get killed by Shingen-E 15 times in a match, get killed by Thorn 5 times, and you'll come rage on the forums about Thorn being OP and everyone using nothing but Thorn. You can go against a team where only a single opponent has it, but you'll rage about how the whole team used it. I've played with people who did exactly that. "The whole effing other team is using X OP weapon!!" I check. It's one guy. I watch the kill ticker. He dies to an even mix of other players, but he only rages when its the guy with X OP weapon. It's called Confirmation Bias And it means, basically, that you see what you [b]want or expect to see[/b]. I outgun it frequently with various guns, and I frequently outgun other guns with it. The Thorn is not OP.[/quote] -ScribeTheMad