well if you win so many gunfiights how can your k/d be so low, that was the point. But if you indeed just fool around, which i think is weird but ok, this still doesnt mean thorn is better than hawkmoon. Most of the good PvP players use either thorn or last word, hawkmoon is just less consistent than the other two and relies on the random bullets to be good. Thorn and the last word are without a shadow of a doubt the best guns in PvP and you will ALWAYS lose an equal gunfight with equally skilled players if you are not using thorn/last word against someone who is....