Well, I was on the fence for a while seeing all these "thorn is op" posts. I had not played crucible in a long time. I'm really not good at it, only play it for exotic bounties, and once for ib. Went in for an ib match yesterday, half the enemy team was using thorn...killed most of them before they could kill me with an unupgraded red death (half upgraded, no health regen). Maybe before you say its op you should learn how to move while you shoot instead of standing in place and waiting for them to shoot you.