No I've seen them because I've played a number of them, and no they aren't any where near as whiny or hateful as this one. I got a little heated which people are prone to doing, but the fact remains there is nothing constructive about this post at all. It'd be nice if someone were to offer an actual discuss able proposal instead of I died to this too many times today or this is just op and then calling out people that use said gun. I understand balance, the pulse rifle buff was amazing. The auto rifle nerf as a whole was uncalled for when not many were using them for end game content when scouts and handcannons were already better for that. I personally haven't thought of a way for Thorn to be more balanced, but fire rate and impact aren't one of them imo. Just simply sick and tired of threads like this and this is the one I decided to explode on.