I just don't get it. I suck at pvp .....I mean suck and I haven't had any issues with thorn. It's the lag that should be addressed. There are plenty of ways to counter thorn IMO. One being try not to make yourself a big bullseye. Take cover trade blow for blow. And most important learn to land those head shots. That's just my opinion. I feel bad for the dudes that are having a hard time with this weapon. I can almost guarantee if this gun gets a nerf there will be another weapon that is claimed as over powered or unskilled. It's best to learn your enemies tactics vs complaining about them. Once again just my opinion.