These forums need a nerf....every second post is someone whining about thorn. TLW kills quicker and is more "op" than thorn, red death kills just as fast as thorn, three little words as well, both kill in two bursts, short to medium range vex can beat thorn as well. Any weapon with high caliber rounds help too making it harder to aim. Imagine how good people could be at this game if all that time spent whining and crying for nerfs was spent learning how to counter these so called op weapons....