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5/1/2015 9:37:28 PM
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Evolution is often called a "mechanism" of nature (that's how I was told in school anyways). So let's compare it to a mechanical watch. Just for fun. Take a mechanical watch apart, put all its pieces in a box, and shake that box. No matter how long or how many tines you shake that box, the watch will never come out put together and functioning properly. Is there a chance? Sure, as the basic principle of probability is that there is [i]always[/i] a chance. But the chances are so small that its basically impossible. Same with evolution. Is there a chance? Sure. There's also technically a chance I'll grow wings in 10 seconds and fly away. But the chances are so small that its basically impossible.
Just a thought.
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No, its an article about actual experiments conducted that indicate what the article talks about. The scientific paper is linked in the article.
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Sometimes. I'd have to go ahead and say that its pretty logical that something made everything that wasn't just mere coincidence.
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thats actually entirely illogical, but nothing i say can convince you otherwise, so it doesnt matter.
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Then have a nice day sir.
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The point isn't the chances. The point is, every religion/belief is full of holes. [b]Especially Christianity.[/b] I like how you put this but it's irrelevant and that's not how evolution works at all. It's not just random, it's the opposite. The survival of the fittest. Whoever had to the best traits to survive bred offspring with their traits. Which mutated and/or became better. I'll give you an example. The modern whale we know today first lived on land. How do we know? I'll tell you. The whale used to live in a more desert-like area, it was an omnivore. Eventually, they ran out of food for reasons we don't know. Eventually, they began to eat things in the water. This meant that the better you are at swimming, the better chance you had of survival. This continues for hundreds of thousands of years until we got our whales. That's why they need air to survive and why they still have leg bones. The bones are useless but still there. They provide proof that whales once walked on land. Your watch-in-a-box is irrelevant because I assume you're comparing the watch to a species and that's just not how it works.
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Lol look at you trying to be all smart. Mute.
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Look at you, floundering in ignorance. I'd mute you, but I want to see your response.
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Ignorance. Wow. That almost made me laugh. Good try.
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[quote]Lmao[/quote]?
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He muted me
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What part of your ass did you pull that from?
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Is "your ass" the name of some sort of scientific literature? Because what he said is more or less correct.
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Evolution takes more than ten seconds.
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So does my analogy. Shake as long as you want sir.
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Edited by BenjyX55: 5/5/2015 5:43:12 PMYour analogy is highly flawed. A)There's only one way the watch can fit together properly. There are hundreds of thousands of trillions of ways to make a functioning organism. B) Evolution is gradual. The functional organism, or the working watch, doesn't just happen. It takes several steps, several iterations. C) Evolution isn't just shaking random pieces and hoping for the best. Evolution is a process of populations changing based on new environmental factors or mutations that benefit existing conditions. It's far from random. Nice try.
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Exactly. Its evident in us as well, our appendixes are all but useless now; because we no longer live on a diet of plant material. And because of that over the last 1000 years our bodies have disabled its functionality, and its a mere waste of space now. Id say we're in the middle of evolving to remove it completely from our bodies, give us another 500 years or more (omg what? Yea sorry you don't just sprout adaptations and mutations in 10 seconds) and everyone will be naturally born without them.
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OMG, the Bible stated that humans were once only vegetarians, so much so that the early Hebraic culture made this habitual (in order to remain "religiously" clean).
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But even if we eat plant matter now, the appendix wont digest it because it simply no longer works thanks to our own evolution. I think you missed my point, i was just trying to get across that we are evolving, always have been and always will be.
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...and? Are we not humans? And do we not eat, walk, and talk as humans?
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Ummm you've completely lost me now, what point are you making if i may ask?
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Edited by SSG ACM: 5/7/2015 4:45:04 AMWhether you compare an ape to a human via physical similarities or genetic difference, it is either a human or an ape, and of course (and I hope you respect our beliefs) we as Christians do indeed realize that the biological life on Earth was very different. Since the habits, diet, and longevity of humans were not only evident in scientific studies but also supported by the Bible repetitively.
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Edited by Ordinal Prime: 5/7/2015 5:34:25 AMOf course i can and do respect your beliefs :) And you are certainly correct in saying: no matter the similarities between apes and humans, they are still two different things. However in my own opinion i've been led to believe that at some point thousands of years ago, the most humanoid apes and humans our selves, shared a common ancestor. And from that ancestor the two different species branched out over time (due to environment factors and pred/prey situations etc).
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[quote]There's only one way the watch can fit together properly. There are hundreds of thousands of trillions of ways to make a functioning organism.[/quote]Name ten.[quote]Evolution is gradual. The functional organism, or the working watch, doesn't just happen. It takes several steps, several iterations.[/quote]So does a watch.[quote]...mutations that benefit existing conditions. It's far from random.[/quote]Are you implying that mutations are inherently good?
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Edited by BenjyX55: 5/5/2015 8:19:55 PM[quote][quote]There's only one way the watch can fit together properly. There are hundreds of thousands of trillions of ways to make a functioning organism.[/quote]Name ten.[/quote] You. Me. The moron who made the false analogy. DeeJ. Your mother. My mother. Obama. Hitler. Einstein. Bill Gates. Ten functioning organisms, each of which are unique. [quote][quote]Evolution is gradual. The functional organism, or the working watch, doesn't just happen. It takes several steps, several iterations.[/quote]So does a watch.[/quote] Exactly. It's not as simple of assembling the parts and letting them randomly assemble themselves. [quote][quote]...mutations that benefit existing conditions. It's far from random.[/quote]Are you implying that mutations are inherently good?[/quote] Most mutations have no discernible effect, or an inconsequential effect. The mutations that are good or bad are the ones that influence evolution. The mutations that are good are the ones that are more likely to survive within a population.
