[quote]why not consider the fact that their other characters are level 32 and that they have merely started a new character like i did on Thursday.[/quote] I spend a good amount of time in the VoG... and if you have lately you'd know that recently it's been a sea of new people (level 31 or 32) with only a couple of runs who haven't a clue what is going.... I take new people through the vault often and rarely have an issue with level as long as they are using the best guns they have (not trying to level new guns in the raid... silly noobs don't know that doesn't work) and trying their best. [quote]Ran VoG today with a new crew and i didnt die once......... in fact i showed them where they were going wrong.[/quote] I looked at your stats... the only VoG raid you did today with any kills on it was Normal mode on your 31 Hunter... so saying you ran the VoG and didn't die when you are 5 levels above the level you played... really isn't saying much at all. I can also see that you took all your characters in just for the Exotic chest... nothing wrong with that but it is just another indicator that you don't really run the vault so much as you do play the least level possible and swap characters out for chest... you aren't exactly a VoG strategist. Not trying to be a bitch... just saying you are really exaggerating things. You have a grand total of 8 VoG completions (that is at gamertag level so nothing to do with new character) so I think most people would view you as more of a beginner in that raid.