they should do the same for shotguns, effective for PVE, not affecting both pve/p i get that bungie is making balance, high impact pulse rifles can do 2 burst kills, i hate that, i'll stick to Bad juju & Time on Target, anyone using SUROS can still kick butt, or vice versa: who needs impact when you got firing speed? SUROS & Hard light be a great team as for 1.1.1, i say the damage is ok, just get yourself some Stability so you can connect each bullet, the main threats are the high impact pulse rifles, Red Death for example.. why should a person get high damage, taking hits AND HEAL AFTER GETTING A KILL? that's worse than SUROS, least its less likely to happen