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Edited by AnonPig: 5/29/2016 10:33:34 PM
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Rasputin caused the collapse to save us

[b]edit: but first a thankyou.[/b] This is the second day of me being unbanned, and I would just like to thank all you wonderful guardians for commenting and liking this post. A week away affected me more than I could have ever thought it would. Without these wonderful discussions and explorations into the lore it felt as if a part of me was missing. It's good to be back. . Hello and welcome guardians! Your friendly neighborhood AnonPig is back! Now I'm here to not only pose my theory, as shown above, but also discuss about what you think [b]caused the collapse.[/b] The important cards to refer to are: [b]Ghost Fragment Mysteries Ghost Fragment Old Russia Ghost Fragment Darkness Ghost Fragment Traveler Ghost Fragment Traveler 3[/b] [url=http://destiny-grimoire.info/]For all those without the cards[/url] I'll lead with my conclusion, and then refer to the grimoire to back up my theory. It's quite simple, the Traveler(who from this point will be referred to by her name: Alpha Lupi, Lupi for short) came to us looking for refugee from the Darkness that pursue after her.[b]1[/b] She wasn't strong enough to defeat it, which is why she gave us a golden age, so it was our responsibility to do so. This quickly failed, whether it was underestimated strength or inability to rise to the fight, and Rasputin stepped in. He caused the collapse by setting off a nuclear payload in the reef, the blast of which transformed humans trying to escape into the awoken as well as acted like an emp, and just plain destructive force, across the inner (and probably outer)planets. This was enough to repel the Darkness, and gave Rasputin the ability to learn from it[b]2[/b]. This is why Lupi now sleeps, she protected the few of us who she could, and the blast was devastating.[b]3[/b] 1:Ghost Fragment Traveler says how when the Darkness began it's pursuit of Lupi she adopted a moon sized sphere and had to turn to the people she's helped. 2: Ghost Fragments Darkness, Old Russia, and Mysteries in that order tell of Rasputin's story in all of this. The first is recognition that the Darkness has entered our system, and more so that the annihilation of all mankind was imminent. The second tells of Rasputin's plan of sending nuclear payloads into the reef to meet the darkness. And the final shows how Rasputin is now ready for the final encounter with the Darkness. 3: Ghost Fragment Traveler 3 speaks of the devastation brought on her by the collapse. . Now, as I said that's just my theory. I'd love to hear yours! Thankyou for reading, this is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig! [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/115658936/0/0]AnonPig's Theories Archived[/url] [i] authors note: a thankyou, and an invitation[/i] To all those who have seen my infamous AMA, what became my goodbye post, I'd like to thank you all for asking such wonderful questions, I had a great time getting to share the lore with all of you. And To all those who gave me support, I'd like to thank you doubly so! That was clearly not the end of AnonPig, and this won't be either. I also personally have moved to Twitter, where I post cryptic messages in 140 characters or less! Feel free to follow @AnonPig!
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  • My theory as to what caused the collapse is that the darkness turned our machines against us. I don't have to much hard evidence to support this but there's a grimior card that says something like that and I'd tell you the name but I can't find it again. So the darkness is the anti-traveler so is would make sense that wighl the traveler gave us tech the darkness would take it. It would explain why all those cars outside the cosmodrome were all crashed or seemingly just stopped and that goes for most the other tech both on and off earth.like nothing is just annihilated or marked with bullet holes. Following this anti-traveler logic I think the darkness have some kind of anti-light. I think that's what the hive use because the hive are the only ones who don't use bullets or energy based weapons. Think of the Wizards. I think based on their appearance and "culture" (I use the term loosely. ) that they were a primitive culture around medieval level when they came into contact with the darkness and thought of it as a god. this would explain a lot of there seemingly primitive culture and clothing. It in turn gave them twisted versions of the travelers gifts. This could also explain the taken. They are being fused with this anti-light. That's why there all ghostly and dark.

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  • One point I want to make is that Rasputin devastated the Traveler. In a card, it refers to use of "Loki crown" in case of impending [O] departure, meaning that the traveler trying to escape.

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    • So was Alpha Lupi a Guardian who became the Traveler?

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      • But...why? Why does the Darkness have such beef with the Traveler?

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      • The traveler is a "she"? Alpha Lupi wasn't the team of astronauts that found the traveler on Mars initially? I haven't read trough that much grumpier cards yet

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        • Who was Alpha Lupi before she became the moon-like orb we see now?

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          • Rasputin crippled the traveler to prevent her from leaving.... But how was he aware that she was going to leave?

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            • Do you have a facebook or YouTube?

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            • Didn't Rasputin harm the Traveler to protect Humanity? Lupi, as you said was going to flee, again, and leave us to deal with the Darkness like it did the Fallen. Knowing the only way Humanity would survive, Rasputin attacked Lupi, immobilized it and forced it to protect itself and thus Humanity. Then with the last act of it's power it created Ghosts, to empower Guardians so they could fight back the Darkness and give Lupi to time it needs to stabilize and regain some of it's former power. This is why I believe Rasputin hasnt helped us yet. Knowing the Vanguard and Guardians are pawns, Rasputin knows Lupi will leave and solidify humanity's destruction. I think he's looking for a way to defeat the darkness on his own to prevent that from happening. Might hope we can get another Golden Age going. That's just a thought I had. Why else wouldn't Ras help what's left of Humanity?

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              • Rasputin fired on the Traveller to stop it from leaving. No argument there it is heavily implied on the grimiore

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                My theory is respects to everything Destiny. Fallen - Are actually not so evil, I believe they had the traveller first, or the traveller offered them the same things we have but left them for dead when he realised they were too weak and that is why some grimoire mentions about the Fallen wanting to take the Traveller back from us. Which would explain the House of Kings obsession. Hive - The darkest existing enemy we know about, most likely the strongest and have the closest ties with the darkness itself. I think they along with the Vex will be the only true threat. Vex - There main goal is to raise Gods by undoing events, there's likely some Vex realm or home world where there's an enemy that links to the whole Vex system, we could potentially enter a future where the city is destroyed and Earth is seized by the Vex? Cabal - Are not evil at all, ive already gone in depth about this but I believe the Cabal's only goal is to try and escape the darkness, I don't think they have any beef with the Traveller or humanity and only invaded Mars as a last resort (w/ Phobos), certain grimoire discuss this and the coming of Oryx "taking" them in the new mission is pretty much the very definition of this (Oryx is the darkness coming for the Cabal).

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                • When did Rasputin shut down then? Right after these events? It makes sense since if it retaliated against the invading forces after that (those events), it would surely meet its demise. So it shut down so it could be a part of the endgame after the collapse and save us all?

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                  • How do you know the awoken are a result of a nuclear bomb

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                    • Rasputin is eventually going to cryofreeze humanity to save us. Tone it down Rasputin you got no chill

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                      • I thought that Rasputin shot the traveler not the reef that is why it has a hole facing earth.

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                      • Wait wait wait. You got banned again? When? I remember you making a bunch of posts

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                        • Why did you get banned? Also cool theory

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                        • Bump

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                        • Edited by Sovereign117345: 9/28/2015 9:43:09 PM
                          This is actually the first time iv disagreed with you lore wise. The traveler didn't save us. Rasputin did. By DESTROYING the traveler! It basically says so in the Grimoire. When the darkness arrived The Traveler attempted to abandon us and flee (just like it did with the Fallen right before the Whirlwind) but Rasputin realized what the Traveler was trying to do, understood that if the Traveler was allowed to leave it would mean certain extinction of the human race, and thus ordered an anti matter bombing strike on the traveler itself, crippling it and preventing it from running away again. This is what saved humanity from the Darkness.

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                          • Wait sorry I follow lore usually but where do you get the traveler being alpha lupi? I'd love to read about this.

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                          • Also if I may help shed light (no pun intended) on the Voluspa command. Völuspá is actually an ancient Nordic prophecy and poem which tell of a time in which in which essentially a God that went by the name of Æsir created a golden age for man in which he (Æsir) was wealthy and safe until three Giants that go by the name Jötunhemir come around and effectively put an end to the dark age seeing this Æsir creates little dwarves as they are called in the story (supposedly us guardians). In the other version of the story Thor in place of Æsir actually battles the evil and wins but is only able to take seven steps afterwards before collapsing... Coincidence I think not considering the Gjallarhorn is also an ancient Nordic myth this is hard to overlook and points to the fact that Rasputin had to have been aware that traveler would raise the guardians so he caused an extinction level event to stop the darkness just enough! Hope this helps.

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                          • Very interesting. By the way, was the plan for nuclear detonation referred to as "Midnight Exigent?"

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                            • Made my own lore post about rasputin. Dare I say, I dont quite trust him. Even gave you a mention. check it out sometime. It'd make my day if you included it in your own archive :)

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                              • Necrobump And bump me for later

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                                • Bump so I can read all this later. Rasputin fascinates me.

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                                • What, alpha lupi is the traveler???????????????????

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